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<digidog> 90%
<rworks> Our 3-year-old desktops are P4 2.4/512 MB.
<digidog> so i dont mind replacing them every 3 years
<digidog> we do celerons onsite rworks
<peerce> the original version of the CLSID, when you generated one, it used your MAC address as the first part, and a time stamp as the last part.
<rworks> Perfectly suitable for us.
<digidog> of course they only have to run one app
<digidog> citrix
<Teratogen> peerce, interesting
<Teratogen> thanks for that
<Teratogen> never heard that one before
<Wheelz> anyone know a tad about html?
<rworks> digiwork: Why not use Thin clients?
<digidog> they dont work
<digidog> and they dont save any money
<peerce> !google html
<WinInfo> http://www.htmlgoodies.com/
<digidog> they are still around $300
<peerce> !google html w3c
<WinInfo> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/
<digidog> ive TRIED and TRIED
<rworks> Yeah, but they would last longer.
<rworks> We have Thin clients 4+ years old still in use.
<digidog> and i still dont see the benifit of using them vs a cloned windows xp system on a celeron
<digidog> benefit
<digidog> plus
<Wheelz> ty@htmlgoodies.com
<digidog> they still dont play well with certain citrix agents
<digidog> which is retarded
<Jet> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/microsoft.aspnet.snapin.clsid.aspx CLSID is an abbreviation for cl*** identifier, in the same way that GUID is an abbreviation for globally unique identifier. Both abbreviations refer to a 128-bit integer with a low statistical likelihood of being duplicated so that it can be used as a unique identifier across computers and networks. Typically, this identifier is represented either as a 16-member array of bytes or
<digidog> wyse and netopia at least
<rworks> Well, Any Windows XP system requires patching, updates, virus protection, and is more susceptable to problems.
<FKnight`> thin clients wouldn't work for me , even if we were Citrix, because having an actual CPU and Machine is a highly ***ually charged event where I work
<FKnight`> people want a "computer"
<FKnight`> or they feel inadequate
<rworks> VS a thin client that doesn't need updates and patching, can't get a virus, and never has a hard drive crash, file corruption, etc.
<digidog> we sort of have that problem
<digidog> oh they can get viruses
<digidog> those windows ce guys
<FKnight`> our problem is that nearly every single person in our company is a VP
<peerce> we use citrix for high security business apps, or screwy ones that are rarely used
<digidog> yeah FK
<digidog> too many cheifs
<digidog> we have a few too many VP's too
<FKnight`> FC vs. iSCSI on a SAN is a topic that ends up on a committee of people who don't know what FC or iSCSI means
<digidog> thank god my company doesnt discuss anything technical without me being there
<digidog> thats gold
<FKnight`> I don't want them discussing technical **** even in my presence
<digidog> hahaha
<FKnight`> that's what /I/ get paid for to figure out
<digidog> well our people usually get an idea and then ask what i think about it
<FKnight`> but when you're at my company and there's no IT budget
<digidog> "we are thinking of investing a butt**** of money in kazaa, what do you think?"
<digidog> that seriously happened
<FKnight`> every time I need to buy something, even if it's a $150 hdd
<BadtzMaru> did you laugh?
<digidog> no
<digidog> i said
<FKnight`> I have to requisition and prove I need it
<digidog> "it will likely end up like your schlotzskies stock"
<digidog> fk, thats just bad controles
<digidog> controls
<BadtzMaru> FKnight`: I say "I need a server, please ***ign a /29 on <cabinet:switch port>
<BadtzMaru> "
<digidog> and then i ahve to remind my cfo
<digidog> that we are real estate people and know nothing about streaming audio, p2p apps or deli sandwiches
<digidog> because he gets ideas
<digidog> which is a sign of having to much expendible capital
<BadtzMaru> heh
<sartan> ask for a raise
<BadtzMaru> deli sand...
<BadtzMaru> I dont want to know.
<digidog> we owned 70% of schlotzskies stock
<sartan> that's a networking term for SANWICHING too much **** in one U
<digidog> why?
<BadtzMaru> oh jeez
<BadtzMaru> hah
<digidog> I DONT KNOW
<digidog> bought it for 400mm
<digidog> sold it for 30
<BadtzMaru> whew.
<digidog> we bought into streamwaves.com
<digidog> funded it 100%
<digidog> it went away
<peerce> what is the [kupdate] process in linux ?
<TedSki> .wz vostok aq
<Pfft> isnt it like bsd's adjkerntz ?
<Pfft> fiddles the clock
<sartan> some sorta kernel daemon
<sartan> i bet =P
<BadtzMaru> thought it was i/o stuff
<FKnight`> sartan: wow, great guess :D
<digidog> im having an issue with an sql query
<FKnight`> the "k" wasn't a clue at all
<sartan> Input and output is done via buffers in memory. This allows things to run faster. What programs write can be kept in memory, in a buffer, then written to disk in larger more efficient chunks. The daemons kflushd and kupdate handle this work: kupdate runs periodically (5 seconds?) to check whether there are any dirty buffers. If there are, it gets kflushd to flush them to disk.
<digidog> where date like '2006%' brings up several dates like "2006-01-01"
<digidog> but
<digidog> date like '2006-01%' returns 0
<peerce> i'm copying somethign from windows to samba/linux on my lan, and kupdate is going nuts on large files
<sartan> maybe you should rewrite your queries in realtime to make them appropriate digidog
<digidog> huh?
<sartan> haha i dont know.
<digidog> i can tell :)
<sartan> maybe its something to do with the date datatype. it's not quite a string
<digidog> i think it might have something to do with the -
<digidog> even though im treating it as a literal
<FKnight`> could it be trying to eval it
<FKnight`> the - sign
<FKnight`> 2005-1
<sartan> yeah.
<sartan> that makes sense
<digidog> yeah but it shouldn't as a literal
<FKnight`> I say we all just go back to delivering pizza
<sartan> quoted.
<digidog> convert(datetime, '01-Jan-2006')
<digidog> tries
<Jet> like might be evaluating it as a range
<karupt> any of you guys know pale?
<digidog> garbage?
<sartan> where date like "2005-01%"
<Jet> 200[6-8]
<Jet> like that
<digidog> lets see what converting ti does
<Jet> 200[5-0]1
<Jet> try like "2005\-01%"
<digidog> im table scanning on 20 mm rows
<digidog> it takes a moment
<peerce> karupt; i'm drinking a pilsener now, but I was having a pale ale earlier tonite
<sartan> million million?
<digidog> multimillion tard :)
<FKnight`> millimillion :D
<karupt> lol
<sartan> multimillion?
<karupt> I meant the op pale_blue
<sartan> wouldn't 20m make sense?
<digidog> generally you dont write it that way
<FKnight`> karupt: we fired him
<sartan> no seriously correct me if i'm wrong. 'multimillion' sounds odd
<digidog> though you would in sql when its a count of something non finacial
<digidog> so technically i am wring
<digidog> since im not talking dollars here
<karupt> lol
<digidog> wrong
<sartan> I made a multidozen hundred dollars this week.
<digidog> i my network is 20 million
<digidog> i was say 20mm
<digidog> er
<FKnight`> pale_blue got promoted to super op


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