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<0> actually
<1> <@Hawkeye> Badtzmaru, more importantly ... why are you bothering to still talk to him right now? <-----like that?
<0> at a glance all the scope reviews im finding are focal length
<0> I kinda wish I had the money for a astro rig
<2> Same here.
<0> find a 20Da cheap and have some fun
<2> 20Da and cheap do not go together.
<0> i've seen a few sold on FM
<0> and cheap for 20Da's of course =)
<3> you can take a 300 and lobotomize the IR filter and get the same thing a LOT cheaper
<0> ***uming you dont lobotomize the sensor =/
<3> anyways, using a consumer digital SLR isn't really that great of a astro rig, its OK for fast wide field stuff
<3> yeah, its a delicate operation, but I know several folks who did it on a local astro list
<0> peerce: the results i've seen from peope I do it are more than enough for what Id ever want to do
<4> hi guys i was wondering with freesshd can i tunnel 2k3's server's vpn handshake through putty?
<4> or i need opensshd?
<0> Im not looking for planets, just to take pictures =)
<3> ipsec isn't tunnelable
<3> its not TCP
<4> huh? since when is vpn a ipsec protocol?
<3> ipsec *IS* a tunnel itself, why would you run it through another tunnel
<5> Hawkeye you're still an ***hole!!! :)
<0> why would you want to tunnel VPN?
<3> VPN as implemented in windows is either PPTP or IPSEC+L2TP
<4> i though its protocol 47? and port 1723
<4> i'm useing pptp
<3> those are just used for setup
<0> those are just for initial auth
<3> PPTP uses IP protocol 47 or something, 'GRE'
<0> not the VPN itself
<3> its not TCP
<4> Badtzmaru poor mans vpn :)
<0> and GRE is also a pain in the but tto tunnel
<3> uh, VPN *is* VPN, wtf ?
<0> but...
<4> Badtzmaru hehe i know
<3> why would you tunnel a vpn ?
<0> you are tunneling a VPN?
<4> yep
<3> use openvpn if you want a tcp based vpn, it rocks
<0> you already have the VPN, why a second tinnel
<4> Badtzmaru take a wild Guess
<4> eheheh
<0> "to get around *"
<4> comon boys why would anyone do such a horrible and complicated thing for windows networks?
<4> ehehhe
<4> security maybe?
<3> I dunno, why?
<0> windows network has nothing to do with it
<0> you already have the VPN
<3> VPN is secure.
<0> whats the point of tunneling a tunnel
<4> not secure enough i can crack windows based pptp tunnels with my bewolf on my own lan HEH
<6> dumb***
<3> then you could crack SSH
<3> as its the same sort of key management and encryption. anyways, PPTP is obsolete. use a ssl vpn, or a ipsec vpn.
<0> define crack
<3> ssl vpn is far easier to work with.
<4> i'm useing 4096 rsa keysfor ssh .... its hard
<4> Badtzmaru sorry i ment sniff
<0> thats what I thought
<0> you can do that for anything
<4> ehehe
<3> and your p***word is probably something lame like gra$$h0pp3r
<4> bahahha noo
<0> wheee
<4> its 28 characters long
<6> omg
<3> and if the NSA really cared, they'd kick your front door in.
<6> uninformed security zeal
<3> what is WITH the ***wipes tonite?
<0> peerce: its valentines
<6> lonely people
<4> peerce lol true enough but i'm just makeing a project for my unix to windows server integration and i need a platfor to securely move data from one site to another over unsecure networks.
<0> sheesh
<0> our DNS is such a kludge
<3> and whats wrong with scp/rsync ?
<3> you're just making a project.
<7> ALL THE LONELY PPLZ. WHERE DO THEY ALL COME FROM.
<0> I have a hat with ears on.
<7> You go Bdazt.
<0> my girl made it for me
<0> *sniff*
<7> Bzzt.
<7> Badizzle.
<4> so open would be my best bet with cygwin ehh?
<4> er openssh rather..
<6> scp
<6> windows port
<6> done
<3> what are your bastion hosts at both ends of this insecure link?
<0> why do people make things 10 times harder than they have to be?
<4> Badtzmaru the challange
<3> your best bet would be to run any tunneling between your firewalls
<4> o_0
<0> the challenge is getting the job done the right way the first time
<3> Kung_fu; here's a challenge... see that big pile of sand over there? and that big hole over here? here's a pair of tweezers, move it one grain at a time!
<0> its people like you who make people with clue hate walking into a new job
<0> "who the **** did this!!"
<6> no its not, its beating a concept to death to proove best practice cant be acheived with technology available
<0> "he said it was.. a challenge"
<3> Kung_fu; PLEASE tell me you don't do this for a living.
<4> Badtzmaru agreed if what i was doing was for a production project. but its not.
<3> if you proposed something HALF that hairbrained for production, I'd fire you so fast you'd not touch the floor enroute to the sidewalk.
<4> lol
<4> whaa can't a bored guy have some fun
<4> geez
<3> ok, go research PPTP and come back
<0> well theres fun and theres mindless waste of time
<0> heh
<3> make sure you learn all about GRE first.
<4> lol
<8> Oh, pptp.
<3> GRE2, I think in fact.
<0> cool
<0> when our DNS works, its fast
<8> IKE.
<0> i'll give it that
<3> not sure, I hven't messed with pptp in a couple years
<0> we do openvpn where needed
<0> works nice
<8> I run site to site vpns through boxes.
<6> i run them through crates
<8> OpenVPn is a nice freeware util.
<0> we only need it for our offices
<0> for our use openvpn ftw
<6> use use cisco pix 501's at the remote sites
<4> listen i'm not here to brag just to inquire so please don't missunderstand my questions. i'm curious to how i can acheive the highest protection for network traffic within a tunnel.
<6> connecting to a 525
<6> we told you
<8> I have also used Prosafe and Greenbow, but open source mostly are better alternatives.
<4> i know, i'm just explaining my self.
<8> And you are asking about pptp????
<6> open source is better than say juniper or cisco stuff?
<0> actually he was asking about tunneling a tunnel
<0> digidog: in some ways yes
<6> cost?
<0> cost/eaase of use
<3> we use juniper for our corporate VPNs, but I've used openvpn for some adhoc stuff and it works great.
<8> http://www.multitech.com/DOCUMENTS/Tutorials/applications/6016.asp
<6> what kind of sla is there on openvpn support?
<8> Heh, YOU have to come up with the SLA ;)
<0> digidog: as I said, in some ways
<6> oh
<3> what kind of SLA is there on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 ?
<6> i was just curious if there was a company out there that did it
<0> obviously if you arent getting a solution from a vendor support is lacking
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