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<0> JDK=java developement kit
<1> here https://jsecom15c.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=09E2A71761D7EB9CFFB3F0FA4FF5A0D5
<1> you want EE? Enterprise Edition?
<1> thats full of javabeans and stuff
<1> we use j2se, standard edition
<2> jdk-1_5_0_06-windows-i586-p.exe
<2> okay that.
<2> See, my labs are doing java and they want to use java compilers because the microsoft compiler won't use the java libs.
<2> the new ones.
<2> post-fight between ms and sun.
<1> the microsoft java compiler is WAY obsolete
<2> but last year we had this **** working with 1.4.2
<1> j++ is a yolk
<2> I know peerce. we're hacking j++ to use the java compiler.
<0> J# is new though
<1> why not use Netbeans as a IDE? works great.



<1> free
<3> Eclipse.
<2> Well it's EDU, so nobody is comfortable unless it's 89 milliion bucks.
<1> yeah, eclipse is even better, but requires some work to customize and fully feature it.
<1> huh? most EDU's thrive on opensource freeware
<2> And before I ask you fdiv, this is Windows.
<2> You're talking about colleges.
<3> Eclipse runs great on Windows...
<1> http://www.eclipse.org/
<2> This is a high school district wrought with red tape.
<1> eclipse is free, windows or any other platform
<4> Can anyone recommend a good application for macros in windows? What I need is something that will perform a set of keystrokes when I initiate it with a hotkey, it needs to allow me to use timers also.
<1> we had guys using Borland's $$$$$ java suite, they dumped it in favor of eclipse, they like it BETTER
<4> Everything I find records mouse movement, and specifics... I just want it to type what I tell it to type and not care about anything else.
<3> The Java sections of our CS courses use Eclipse, too.
<3> [Zenith]N: What are you trying to macro?
<4> Ugh, well I need to replace some text in a bunch of files, change the files margins, and then export that file to PDF on a huge batch of files. I figure I could automate the process pretty simple and make it so alls I had to do was hit enter on each file.
<3> Sounds like you need a good text editor and/or some command-line utilities.
<1> what kind of files? MS Word? it has built in macros, quite powerful
<4> they're .txt files
<1> um, TXT files don't have margins, and how do you export TXT to PDF ?!?
<4> need to change the company name in them, and change the bottom and top margins to 0.5 so it lines up when its a PDF
<1> anyways, Word can work with TXT too
<4> Heh, right, except I don't have Word installed at home... Have Open Office, I could goof around with its macro system too I suppose.
<5> i'm considering the switch from Linux to Windows, but i have a questions in regards to support of pentium m on the Windows kernel...
<3> erek: It runs fine.
<3> Next?
<1> indeed
<5> can the windows kernel handle Enhanced Intel Speedstep without a 3rd party userland daemon?
<1> I didn't have to install anything special to get it working
<5> everytime i've monitored my frequency in windows it would always be at full speed
<3> I installed WinXP and the recommended pile of IBM software on my ThinkPad. Works like a champ.
<1> you might want to install the laptop maker's driver set, thats usually a good idea.
<5> yeah but working and doing what you want it to do can be different
<3> erek: Working *is* what I want it to do.
<1> I want it to work.
<1> indeed, what he said.
<1> wtf?
<5> i want mine to serve it's purpose
<3> Because it's why I use the laptop.
<1> micromanaging system internals went out with the punchcard era.
<5> just because you express no interest in speedstep doesn't mean i want my investment perse to last longer by idling at 800mhz
<3> peerce: Not if you're a Linux fan.
<1> fdiv_bug; yeah, I guess.... they don't have any decent applications so they amuse themselves by diddling the computers guts.
<1> speedstep works FINE on any modern laptop
<1> I've got several dells, they all work
<1> battery life is excellent
<5> how do you know it works
<5> have you checked
<1> they run for 4 hours on batteries while doing wireless internet.
<5> or are you just going the fact that the laptop powers on
<6> if it's idling, what the hell difference does it matter what speed it's running at?
<1> they wouldn't do that if power management wasn't operational.
<5> peerce, with speedstep working it should be like 5-6
<5> on a 6Cell
<5> idle
<1> depends how big your batteries are.
<7> is it possible to create a partition that gets read before the boot partition, that is used for reimaging the pc, kinda like Dell does now-a-days, instead of providing their customers with dvds/cd resore disks, you press ctrl+F11 to restore using ghost, is it possible to do this without a custom bios of some sort?
<5> idle as in webbrowsing
<1> after 4 hours, mine was still working, I dunno how much more life it had.



<5> i don't think you're actually in a position to determine if speedstep is working based on your observations
<1> my wife's laptop is a 17" 'multimedia' laptop with a geforce 6800, so 4 hours is good.
<5> peerce, mine does too
<5> i9300
<6> wow. i have no desire to do anything whatsoever today.
<5> it gets 5-6hours with speedstep working correctly under linux (not to say at all that linux is better.)
<1> maybe your CPU monitor program is causing enogh CPU activity to boost it to full speed.
<5> peerce, checking my computer?
<1> the CPU speed shown in My Computer -> Properties? thats just the CPU type.
<5> it's about as p***ive as i've seen to check the frequency
<1> its not actually checking the frequency, AFAIK
<5> mine reports the speed and it's a variable
<5> i've seen it change numerous times
<1> Did you install Dell's version of XP, or a generic one? and if the generic one, did you install Dell's driver suite for that machine?
<5> they won't give me an installation cd
<5> and it didn't come with one
<1> huh?
<5> they said any recovery to the disk can be made with some special partition on the drive already
<1> they won't GIVE it to you, they SELL it,f or about $10 S&H
<5> there is no backup disk or diagnostic disk
<5> i bought windows xp professional
<5> they said i was not paying for the media
<1> I make a point of checking the 'CD' option when I buy a dell.
<5> just a license
<5> there wasn't one :\
<1> yes, you buy the media seperately, its about $10
<1> yes there is.
<1> on every dell I've ever bought.
<5> i asked specifically where it was
<5> and i was alarmed too
<5> that's why i called
<5> they said i don't need it
<5> and suggested that i do not ever attempt to format or replace the operating system or any installation files or media that came preinstaleld on the system
<1> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=i9400lo&s=bsd and scroll down to "Operating System Backup and Recovery"
<1> thats a 9400, the 9300 is, I guess, obsolete already.
<5> the 9300 i bought didn't have the option
<1> yes it did, you just didn't choose it.
<1> my wife has a 9300, bought with that $750 coupon last quarter
<1>
<1> Microsoft Windows XP Professional backup CD [add $10]
<1> and its a real XP CD
<1> not a 'recovery disk'.
<5> it's not a costumized dell xp cd, is it?
<1> its a Dell OEM CD. it has dell's drivers on it
<5> peerce, i'll send you $25 for the iso
<1> and it will only work with Dell serial #s
<1> you can buy a replacement disk from Dell for $10
<5> not without my tag number i can't
<1> so give them your tag number, sheesh.
<5> i don't have it
<1> huh?
<8> man
<1> thats hte computer serial number
<1> what is this, a stolen laptop?
<8> it must be easy as **** with a huge return to resell LD
<5> peerce, no
<9> hi. I have a problem with windows 98, my USB is dead. If i plug in a device nothing happens, but if I uninstall it from device manage it comes back again?
<1> win98 is a problem past its expiration date. have fun.
<5> peerce, how bad is the spyware problem in windows these days?
<9> yeah but I have it and I'm not buying windows xp
<1> fairly annoying, but not hard to work around.
<1> E_C; thats nice. USB *barely* worked on win98, and not very well under the best of conditions.
<5> peerce, see i don't want to have to continously scan my pc using 4 or 5 spyware applications that potentially get infected themselves
<1> erek; install Microsoft Antispyware, and I've had ZERO problems, and use nothing else.
<9> well... it should work, the devices I'm triying to use all say they are compatible with win98se
<5> peerce, i heard it doesn't detect everything
<1> erek; its more effective then any 3rd party system I've seen, as it catches the METHODS spyware use to infect. once you're infected, its generally too late.
<1> erek; whats easier on linux, preventing rootkits, or finding and fixing them?
<5> peerce, well i've never experienced a rootkit on my system
<5> not once
<1> I never have on my own systems, but I've had to clean up behind some on third party machines, its not nice.
<5> in like years of operation, i've never been targetted
<5> well lets see here
<1> mostly production webservers run by amateurs


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