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<0> You have to play the 20 questions game ***uring them it's the same machine etc etc
<1> I got Vodka.
<1> I win.
<2> pHluid, then that's probably an OEM license
<0> They do it on retails.
<2> yea, but i have nori maki arare
<0> I suppose that's just an easier conversation than "Did you format the old machine so that it's not actually installed on two machines now and..." etc
<3> so ted... april 21-23... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113011 ... you coming ?
<4> sure, if you answer truthfully and you actually are allowed to transfer, you're fine
<2> probably not
<3> awww.
<4> if you're a warez kiddy, you might hang up
<2> i should though
<4> that's what they're trying to do
<2> but it'll be soon after i take leave to visit my newborn nephew
<0> Ah
<5> http://u3.sandisk.com/download/media/U3.wmv
<3> ah, thats tough.
<5> neat device
<0> I've gotten in the habit of just always saying the motherboard died and we had to replace it.
<3> anyways, we're mostly a bunch of older farts, and most of them are on dirty-bikes.
<1> I win.
<5> thumbdrive with aps and settings you carry around, plug into any pc and you have your own desktop/apps back
<4> pHluid - and that's a totally legit reason
<2> peerce, that's cool... i get along real well with the older farts
<3> http://gerg.smugmug.com/photos/20412692-M-1.jpg was priceless. he burned his KLR650
<6> OFB = Old Fart Brigade
<2> in fact, my father calls me an old man all the time, says i'm 50 trapped in a 25 yr old body
<4> and even if you're upgrading, as long as the old motherboard isn't still running XP, you're allowed to xfer the retail licese
<4> aged hippies with bikes
<4> how lame :(
<0> The OEM license was always wierd to me
<0> It's tied to the machine, but what constitutes a machine is pretty vague.
<4> a little, yeah
<4> but that's why oem machines are so proprietary nowadays
<0> If I replace the case, drives, motherboard, and processor, but bought the OEM copy with a power supply, does it still count? etc.
<6> i work with alot of software that is tied to a machine based on its MAC address, particularly, FlexLM licensing.
<4> you can't just pop any motherboard into a dell case
<0> It's sketchy at best
<4> so if you buy a dell with a dell motherboard, you're pretty much set
<4> and dell copies of XP won't run on non-dell machines
<4> at all
<6> theres a central server that hosts a "pool" of licenses that are designed so that only a particular machine can dish them out to clients requesting them
<0> Yep. Any of the stickers branded with a company name.
<3> TedSki-; see, these guys drop their bikes all the time http://treadless.smugmug.com/gallery/1183029/2/55588499
<0> Dell, Toshiba, etc
<6> no kidding. so those Manufacturer-specific OEM copies of XP wont install on anything other then their own hardware?
<0> Correct.
<7> i neeeed a job job job.
<7> kpb kpb kbp.
<7> kp bkpb kpb.
<6> weird man. we buy OEM copies of XP to put on our machines and they will install on anything
<3> and stupid **** like http://www.smugmug.com/photos/20634699-L.jpg
<0> But any Dell XP restore CD will work on any Dell machine, at least as far as the OS is concerned.
<1> BAN SANTR0n.
<6> and we kinda technically are legal in putting OEM XP on our machines since we build them whitebox so the XP is being delivered with the machine.
<0> Regular OEM stuff yah, it's the ones that are manufacturer branded. If you try to punch the CD-Key in from a Dell license on a "vanilla" OEM XP during setup, it won't even take it, let alone activate.
<6> we should be doing volume licensing but the company is small and theyve invested a ton in oem xp before i started there, so its hard to convert.
<0> z0g^sn: I work for a MS Partner small business integrator and reseller or whatever they call it
<0> Small network and build shop.
<6> we did volume licensing for MS PRoject and saved a *****load*
<3> z0g^sn; 'corporate' volume licenses are upgrade licenses only, AFAIK, unless they've changed that finally.
<3> for XP, I mean.
<6> its amazing how much cheaper it is to volume license microsoft software
<0> Yah VLK's are a huge discount
<0> If you qualify for them
<0> and peerce, yah, I think that still applies. We just deployed 120 machines to a school, and they qualified for a VLK on Office, but not for XP.
<6> its also easier to manage. in the event of an audit, microsoft is tracking your licenses for you.
<0> the XP's still had to be the regular OEMs with a sticker and everything.
<6> our oems, we dont affix the stickers to the machine, but affix a photocopy of it to the machine, and keep the original in a file cabinet.
<0> That will get you in trouble in an audit.
<6> no it wont. we have the original.
<6> we have full proof of every license
<0> Well, within the same company it's probably fine.
<6> the point is, we plan on changing enclosures as time goes by
<0> We resell ours and they're very specific that it HAS to be affixed on the ch***is
<6> its ridiculous to bind the license to the metal enclosure
<0> Have you seen the new stickers?
<0> They're paper and have a pulltab.
<0> You can pull them right off.
<4> actually, the oem xp license requires you to affix the license to the machine
<6> What defines a machine? the metal panel that the sticker is affixed to?
<6> its kinda crazy
<0> Yeah, that's what I was saying, it's dumb.
<0> But also, like I said, the new stickers you can literally just pull them off and stick them on something else
<4> well, the problem with having photocopies, is it means if you scrap a machine, you can move that photocopy to another new machine
<4> and that's not oem compliant
<0> Which defeats the purpose of affixing them to the ch***is, but.
<4> that's why they want you to affix it TO the machine
<6> bbs: the whole idea of photocopying the sticker is just for tracking. If we have to reimage a machine, we refer to the photocopied sticker on the box. and (2), employees cant vandalize the sticker and remove any proof of purchase of that proof of license.
<0> Tripped me out when we got the new stickers in, we thought they were counterfeit. They feel like cheap stock paper, and they're falling apart where they rub the hole in them to see the authenticity strip.
<4> z0g^sn - I understand what yu're saying, but that's not compliant as per the oem license agreement
<6> We have a master record and master copy of all original license stickers in a locked file cabinet
<1> Drunk.
<4> again, what's to stop you from saying "ok, an employee spilled soda on this computer, we'll just build another one and reuse the license"?
<3> the PC I had built for my wife, the chinashop that built it left the sticker in the oem bag, I installed it myself.
<3> was hard to decide where to put it on a nice black anodized aluminum case
<3> I wanted it to be where you could read it
<4> peerce - I'm surprised a chinashop even bought you a real license :)
<6> BBS: is that implying that if coffee or whatnot get spilled into an OEM computer, not only is the computer hosed, but the Windows license as well?
<3> they are a good chinashop. I paid for it, $120 for OEM MCE2005
<0> z0g^sn: Per the OEM agreement, yes, that's exactly right.
<4> z0g^sn - that depends entirely on whether or not the case can be reused :)
<6> I understand. I also think its crazy.
<3> they didn't install windows, they just built the box and memtested it, I think :D
<0> If the machine is a totally loss, so is the license, as it's part of the machine.
<3> overnight memtest as a burnin
<6> but as BBS says, if the license is still visible on the enclosure and you can fit another motherboard and etc into it and make it work again, technically, legally, its fine.
<0> peerce: You had any problems with Update Rollup 2 on MCE2005?
<6> so essentially the license is bound to the metal enclosure.
<0> z0g^sn: Yes.
<4> yep
<3> need a burnin disk that does what memtest does, plus what prime95 does, and does disk diags concurrently
<6> that is *so* ****ed up
<4> you can replace every part inside that machine that has the sticker on it
<4> but you can't change your case :)
<3> hammer the CPU floating point while hammering memory testing, and beating on the disk drive all at once.
<3> oh, and it should have a complex 3D screensaver with UT effects :D
<3> if it runs 12 hours of that, its good to go.
<0> It gets even more whacky. It's perfectly legitimate to attach the license to a popout backplane and replace the entire case and MOVE that backplate to the new case.
<6> pHluid: Brilliant!
<3> the definition of 'system' is in the license, I believe.
<0> You'll see that on older HP machines; the sticker is attached to a removable plastic plate on the back.
<6> I'd attach it to a slot cover!
<6> there are all sorts of ways to skirt around the stupid OEM restrictions. The company we get our OEM software from sends us one 3' USB cable per copy of XP we buy.
<0> 5 1/2" bay cover. :)
<6> apparently that is compliant
<0> Yeh. As long as it's on the same invoice as a piece of hardware, it's fine.
<6> i mean, we really are OEMs, building machines that deserve an OEM copy, but its just funny how companies sell it.
<0> If you order it from newegg, you're invoice will show that you ordered a firewire, usb, IDE cable, a replacement speaker, whatever crap they have laying around
<0> Charge you 0.99 for the whatever and $89 for the license.
<6> and considering the only way you can get XP x64 is via OEM..
<6> i cant believe that isnt available retail. wtf is up with that?
<0> We're not bound by that; we get a big *** box of 3-pack OEM's and don't need to buy the hardware with it.
<0> You can get it from Microsoft by trading in an XP Pro license... or you could, dunno if they're still doing that
<6> ive played briefly with XP x64 on a dual opteron system, and it ran everything i tried to run.. office apps, engineering apps, even games. UT2k4, Battlefield2... perfectly.
<0> It's fine for most gaming, if you're willing to fight with it a little
<0> God forbid you need to load non-WHQL drivers during setup
<0> Or, say, load a printer
<0> Or a tv tuner
<6> the system was almost 100% nvidia. nForce4 professional motherboard (Tyan K8WE), and nVidia Geforce 6800 video.
<6> nvidia has excellent winxp x64 drivers.
<0> z0g^sn: For kicks, try installing it when nVidia releases non-WHQL drivers. It's a riot.
<0> Which they do, quite often.
<6> why would i do that?
<0> When it's the "official link" on their site, you might not notice
<0> And then the fun begins.
<0> That's what happened to me. :P
<6> I deal with enough **** trying to use ATI's so-called "WHQL" drivers, which in reality, are as good as a steaming pile of cow ****...
<0> Imagine having to click about 60 of those "THIS DRIVER IS NOT CERTIFIED" popups in that 320x240 XP setup screen. The buttons WAY off the screen so you have to tab and hit enter and pray. it's good times. :P
<6> i have very few problems with nvidia drivers. if you think youre having problems, why dont you buy an ATI card and have a blast?
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