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<0> unless you have one of those stupid teachers who follows the "learn on a stick first" philosophy and makes you debug on paper.
<0> "Imagine the output"
<1> well, it depends on whether the test is on theory or practice.
<2> When I learned programming in college, we had lectures and labs.
<0> well, Christ, it's VBA
<0> how much theory can be involved?
<3> well my teacher is a complete moron, who doesnt know anything, i am debating going to computer science department and getting stements of how valueable actuall computer interaction is when designing, and then going to her superior
<2> PantsMeh: You'll lose.
<3> argh
<0> remember though
<0> none of us on this channel are teachers (that I know of)
<0> so we don't know best :D
<2> I couldn't even get my CS department to reconsider using TAs that speak four English words.
<4> PantsMeh: s/ludacris/ludicrous/
<3> yes thanks for the spell check
<3> i can now sleep easy
<4> PantsMeh: and trial and error is *never* part of writing code
<4> unless you've got more-or-less infinite amounts of time
<3> well its easy to forget a comma or something trival on paper
<4> yeah
<3> such erros are EASILY found when you actually run it
<4> but you shouldn't write the code out longhand
<2> Paper is only good for pseudo code
<3> although how do you "run" a peice of paper
<2> If this course ***umes you have a heavy coding background, it might work.
<2> Because you're just learning what goes where.
<3> no
<3> its the intro course
<4> well there you go
<3> first level
<2> But if you're using this as a platform to learn 'programming', it's way off the mark.
<4> you should have a grasp of how the algorithm works before committing it to code
<2> Is this teacher making you draw a rectangular button that says 'compile' too?
<4> if they just teach you how to do $task in $programming_language then you'll get nowhere
<3> no
<3> our cl*** is teamed with redhat, and the redhat representative is convinced my teacher is a moron
<4> PantsMeh: I don't even boot my coding laptop until I've written up at least a sketch what I want to do, in loosely C-like pseudocode
<3> yea but we arnt graded on loose code, we get marked off for every little indent error or missing comma / blah blah
<3> so its not used as a planning tool, but as finished product
<4> once I've got a rough idea I start to think in more detail about how individual bits work
<3> which i think is crazy
<4> ah well that's stupid
<4> yeah
<2> You submit final code that's handwritten??
<3> yes
<3> this cl*** is insane
<0> Cisco.com webmaster: "HEY!! Let's make it so they have to type their login and p***word on EVERY PAGE of the support section"
<2> Something is wrong here.
<0> "That would be K-KOOL"
<5> haha
<6> job interview. tomrorrow.
<6> joy!
<2> You can't teach a "Programming cl***" without a "computer machine"
<3> that what i said
<2> FKnight`: I hate that too
<0> skaol
<0> you know cisco good ?
<2> support -> login -> link click -> login -> file download -> login
<2> I know switching fairly well. I'm not that good with routing.
<0> it's about ipsec routing
<0> and access-lits
<0> lists
<2> Yeah I'm really weak with that. Sorry.
<0> that's cool
<2> You need some loph.
<2> Maybe digi if he didn't renounce Cisco in favor of Sharepoint.
<2> "Or you could try #cisco!"
<2> If you to be ignored completely by over a hundred idlers or kicked for asking a legitimate question.
<6> yeah. stfu
<2> OH
<2> sartan too.
<2> He knows C1sc0.
<3> the cl*** gets worse, it is held in a computer lab with brandnew pcs at each location. The test is open book/open note, however all our notes and ***igments are in digital form, (PDF/PowerPOINT) but we are not allowed to use the pc/thumbdrive during the test. this leaves me printing 5-6 60page powerpoint slides and many 30 page pdfs... i think ive just used enough trees to destory a few small amazon settlements..
<0> "Select Model: 1841" "Select Task: VPN Configuration Examples" Results: Cisco 2611, Cisco 7500
<0> uhhh
<0> I selected EIGHTEEN-FORTY-ONE
<2> Hey FK,
<2> I have an IPSEC VPN set up on my PIX.
<6> the cisco 1841 was built during the war.
<2> I might be able to at least compare.
<0> well
<6> PantsMeh: sounds like your cl*** ****s.
<6> bad
<2> I have the oddest 3 tracks in my playlist right now. They don't fit together at all.
<0> my 1841 is in front of a 10.7.0.0/16 LAN. External 99.99.99.99 blah whatever. My PIX in Tampa is in front of 10.0.0.0/16. I have a tunnel between both sites. When I originally set the tunnel up, ipsec was NOT working. I called cisco, and they told me that UNLIKE A PIX which dynamically creates the conduits for IPsec traffic, I *MUST* include an access-lsit that permits traffic
<2> Gl***jaw - Stuck Pig
<2> Guano Apes - Open Your Eyes
<0> e.g. permit ip 10.0.0.0 any any
<2> Tito and Tarantula - After Dark
<0> well, apparently, ALL OF THE SUDDEN
<0> That's no longer required on my 1841
<0> and I can't restrict ANY traffic coming in from inside an ipsec tunnel
<6> FKnight`: yeah
<6> FKnight`: you need to set up an acl for interesting traffic / encryption domain
<6> crypto map
<0> say again ?
<6> and then you also need to add the rules to an acl on the inside or outside interface of your router depending where the traffic is going
<0> ok you missed everything I typed
<0> lemme type it again
<6> it doesn't have the sysopt permit ipsec or whichever that the pix does
<0> yeah
<0> BUT
<0> I understand that
<0> but all of the sudden, my 1841 is ACTING LIKE it has "sysopt permit ipsec"
<0> I create a VPN tunnel from say 192.168.1.0/24 in Tampa to 10.7.0.0/16 in Jacksonville, and traffic from the Tampa 192.168 is being let in via teh IPSEC tunnel REGARDLESS of the fact that I'm not allowing it in.
<6> not cool
<0> Serial0/1/0 has the crypto map attached to it, so my Inbound access list that's attached to Serial0/1/0 is supposed to require a permit for the traffic
<0> apparently, I don't need it anymore
<7> OH GAWD. IT'S STILL MONDAY.
<8> ahaha. directx setting in google earth is what wiped out the purple line for directions. weird
<0> so yeah, essentially my 1841 is acting like a PIX
<0> and pretending to have sysopt permit ipsec
<8> I want mondays off forever
<8> well, and still be employed
<9> You could shift to a Tue - Sat schedule
<8> nooooo
<9> I'd work 10 hours a day for Tue - Fri to have Mondays off
<8> we have that kind of thing available but I'd never be able to get it in my job
<6> i wonder if there's a sneaky config hiding
<0> ""sysopt connection permit ipsec", this statement allows decrypted VPN traffic to byp*** any ACL bound to the crypto interface as well as any conduit statements." <-- that. Cisco 1841 doesn't have that. My 1841 thinks it does.
<6> sysopt connection permit-ipsec iirc.
<8> my boss wouldn't want to lose his ability to sit on his *** looking at sports and stock news :)
<0> sartan -- thanks for refreshing my memory on that command
<0> that will help me when cisco calls me back
<0> I can just tell them "yeah, my 1841 thinks it's a PIX"
<9> I wish IOS had a way to show the real config, defaults and all
<0> I really don't need my DMZ in Tampa 100% trusted at my remote site
<6> paste your config somewhere, i'd be i nterested in seeing your access lists & your match address line
<0> ok
<6> FKnight` is this urgent? i need to jump in the shower before my r oom mate does
<8> save water. share the shower
<0> sartan what's your email address
<6> i don't think there is room
<0> and no you can get back to me later
<6> jp.senior@gmail.com
<0> no room on gmail ??
<6> in the shower! my room mate is fat.
<10> FKnight`: No room in the shower.
<0> oh ok
<0> emailing.
<0> btw -- I erased the crypto keys and shti from the config
<10> I'd shower with a fat chick.
<2> Me too.
<9> I'd shower with fdiv_bug and skoal
<2> In fact,
<2> Yeah. I did it.
<8> fat people are why we need all these illegal immigrants to farm
<8> oh wait. nm.
<8> like fat people eat produce
<10> Barsky: Maybe we could convince the fat people to start eating the illegal immigrants.
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