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<0> poweroff is symlinked to "halt" which is the same as shutdown -h anyway
<1> FK|Work`: Weird.
<1> Are your power management options set to anything different in the system's BIOS?
<0> nope
<0> heheh
<1> Why are you shutting machines down, anyway? :-D
<2> heh, I guess having a network adapter and a VPN connection to the same IP range isn't too good?
<0> it generally doesn't work
<0> seems I may need to add apm=power-off to my kernel line in the grub menu
<0> the only Redhat ES3 machine I have that has ever required this
<3> why the hell does port forwarding in iptables always seem like an uphill battle to get working? this should NOT be this difficult.
<0> "APM is not compiled into the SMP kernel"
<0> because of a race condition
<0> so I have to add this
<4> LET'S DANCE.
<4> PUT ON YOUR DANCIN' SHOES AND something something
<0> so, no, I'm sure I'll be told now that "see the hardware wasn't exactly the same. This is SMP"
<0> hahahah it works
<0> bad***
<0> one good thing today
<3> god****ing damnit. i'm sick of this dell/google **** that dell slapped on IE in place of the standard error pages. and i can't remember where to reset that **** back to the default.
<0> I'd bitch :D
<0> what model dell
<3> dimension 3100. i guess we're too cheap to get optiplexes. :-P
<0> yeah **** Dimensions
<5> do not you install a custom image on new PCs?
<3> no.
<0> imaging is pretty useless since even if you buy 20 Dell Optiplex GX280s, half of them will have NICs with different chipsets
<0> so you end up manually setting up the box anyway
<0> I hope you don't think there's consistancy in manufacturing with computers.
<3> yeah, if we had 50 identical machines, we'd do that ****. it's all mix 'n match here. :-/
<0> yeah I'll I'm saying is .. 20 Dells of the same model, there's still a level of mix 'n match
<5> harrumph; that's wack.
<0> because the builders are digging into their motherboard lot that was purchased from the cheaper wholesaler that month
<0> after they run out of the primary supply of boards
<3> we're not an IT-driven company. we don't have a huge IT budget.
<5> i'd expect an order of say 50 machines placed at the same time to have a high rate of similarity
<3> we're lucky if we order 3 machines at a time.
<6> hahaha http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/09/manchester_419/
<5> but even so, i'd take a new machine in, and do a fresh load; increased front end deployment time, but a consistent image.
<6> anyone who reads that 419 and is stupid enough to believe it deserves what they get
<5> but that's me, i don't do computers, so i really don't know how effective that is.
<6> we tried images, even with sysprep, you're getting requests every couple days "can you include this on a standard install?"
<6> or worse "can you include this on the standard install, but only for dept X"
<6> great, so now you're left with either installing the software by hand after the fact
<6> or building and testing two images
<0> yeah
<0> exactly dude
<5> hurrr
<3> grrr, why can't i get this stupid ****ing IP forward rule to work.
<0> We tried Remote Install Services, but every time we ordered a batch of machines from Dell, they had different NIC chipsets
<0> so we're rebuilding RIS images every 2 weeks
<0> **** that ****
<5> do other vendors experience the same issues, hp, ibm?
<3> IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -dport 80 -j DNAT -to 192.168.5.200:80 <-= one example i found, seems to be a dud.
<0> might as well ship the machines to Tampa, configure them, then bounce them to the satellite office
<5> based on what i'm hearing you folks say, RIS is worthless.
<0> RIS was costing us more in PC setup time
<0> it wouldn't have been so bad it was possible for network cards to "downgrade" themselves like Video cards downgrade themselves to "VGA" in the absence of a driver
<0> but they don't
<0> and windows nic drivers are integrally part of RIS
<6> ya, I sorta long for the days when most NICs were NE2000 compatible
<0> and if you buy a Dell this week, they may have chosen to use a cheaper chipset this time then the last time you ordered
<0> which could be within weeks
<5> i guess if your order size is 5 per week or some small number then ya
<5> but if you are ordering 50 or 100 at a time
<5> but then again, who does that!
<0> welll
<0> who can afford to m*** update machines company wide every 3 years?
<0> all at the same time
<5> globally we have 58k employees
<0> just to make sure your hardware matches
<5> i'm sure we are ordering workstations in volume
<3> our core staff is less than 50.
<2> How do I make my VPN client connect to an IP using another port than the default one? IP:port doesn't seem to work
<0> huh?
<0> Whether you're using PPTP or IPsec, there's no changing the ports they use.
<0> They're part of the standard.
<7> skeggs: what client are you using?
<0> I mean .. LAST I CHECKED
<0> I could be wrong
<2> win2k VPN connection
<7> connecting to what type of device?
<7> win2k's built in?
<2> aye
<2> the thing is that my RRAS is behind a router
<7> your 2k server, what router is it behind?
<5> oh here we go
<2> and I was wondering if I could do without routing the default port (123)
<5> udp 123 is ntp
<5> in fact, it is defined as ntp for both tcp and udp
<2> hm
<5> ok #windows
<5> svg. firefox & ie. worthy of time to invest? fite!
<2> So, where can I define the port which RRAS will listen to? There's a list named "Ports", but it's not like I can modify anything there
<0> is there something wrong with using the standard default port?
<2> not really, but it got me wondering
<4> Cause I'm just a teenage dirtbag bay-beeeeeeee
<5> pptp and ipsec use more than "one" port
<2> or atleast some way of finding out what the port is, because I will have to route it anyways
<5> in fact, the actual data traffic isn't even "tcp" or "udp"
<5> i'd suggest you leverage the abilities of wikipedia.org and/or google for more information in regards to pptp/ipsec
<0> to allow inbound VPN traffic (***uming it's PPTP), you need to forward port 1723 and also IP Protocol 47 (not port 47) - GRE
<4> "leverage" ?
<4> NO CORP SPEAK IN HERE PLEASE.
<0> for IPsec, it's a bit different
<4> JUST SAY "USE".
<4> IT MEANS THE SAME THING AS ""LEVERAGE"".
<2> FK|Work`: where did you find them ports?
<0> yeah I hate "leverage"
<0> skeggs: I'm a network administrator.
<0> I found them in my head.
<4> Leverage some synergies on my balls.
<4> Corporate faggots make me sick.
<4> SKOAL SMASH
<0> and I only mentioned one port.
<0> therefore "ports" is inaccurate.
<4> Did you know that "ports" backwards is "harpoon" ?
<0> yeah except that it's not
<4> Where's pais?
<4> He woulda got that. :-/ It was a ripoff of his joke.
<3> hate.
<4> Hi pb.
<4> Good to see you hating again.
<4> You were so jovial recently.
<4> Made me leery of you.
<0> Dennis Leery
<0> he'll kick your ***
<0> man what was that movie
<0> where these guys took a bus downtown or some **** at night
<0> and they broke down in some bad part of time
<0> *town
<0> Judgement Night
<4> WHOA
<4> I forgot about that movie!
<8> hey skoal
<8> this band paramore... kinda hard (wannabee) lead singer chick is hot hot hot
<4> url.
<0> www.google.com
<0> :D
<0> paramore.net
<0> first news item
<0> "Cancelled Shows Update"
<0> nice
<0> no sample mp3s on the site ?
<0> lame
<4> Ht.
<8> heh
<4> did the lowercase letter a evolve from the inverted lowercase e?
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