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<0> *sigh*
<1> Hanauma Bay, thats it
<1> we did that about 18 years ago.... stopped by there last year when we were on oahu for a couple days after a week in Kauai, gads, its a huge tourist thing now.
<2> peerce: yea, its gone to ****
<2> peerce: sadly
<1> gads, some people in s'cruz are on crack. there's a group calling itself "Working Alliance for a Just Economy" who's trying to get Santa Cruz City to raise the minimum wage inside city limits to $9.25/hour. that would be a freekin' joke, and just drive lots of jobs out of town.
<3> Can you live in santa cruz on less?
<3> or do you have to live in some ****hole outside of the city and drive in on that wage?
<1> minmum wage workers are usually students and such.
<1> do you know ANYONE who LIVES on minimum wage solely ?
<1> anywhere?
<1> its usually students and retired people and such
<3> Minimum wage around here is under $7 hour. Supermarket baggers in RI get at least $10/hr
<1> exactly.
<3> only walmart pays minimum wage
<4> i bet some restaurants do
<1> its $6.75/hour, I think, in California.
<3> and they employ young, old and everyone.
<1> waiters/resses get tips to supplement their pay.
<1> in fact, a good waiter gets far more from tips than wages
<5> that also depen ds on shift
<3> yeah.
<3> some restaurants you can make $300 day
<3> others you stand around for 6 hours and make $30
<5> yup
<5> my servers used to make avg of $200 for a good friday night
<6> Now if I remember right tho ... if you make server pay ... at the end of the pay period if your tips don't bring you up enough to the true minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference.
<5> semi casual dining place
<6> But I don't know if that's federal or state to state
<1> jacking minimum wage JUST in a small town (pop 60,000 total) will push the jobs out of town
<5> but they'd make only about $40 on the lunches and monday night
<1> and jacking it over a wider area just pushes inflation. if the staff is getting 30% more, the business will have to charge 30% more, which means that 30% ends up with 0 net additional buying power.
<3> maybe the CEO should funnel some of his $20 million/year salary back into the company then. :D
<5> small business doesn't have a $20 million/year salary
<1> in scruz, most of the businesses are of the bookstore/coffeeshop/surfshop variety
<5> many small business doesn't even have $20 million/yr sales :P
<1> and the owner works 100 hours/week and barely pays the rent
<3> oh no wonder they're on the verge of closing then. :D
<5> nerp: that's small business in general
<3> i'm just jokin around. :D i think raising minimum wage too much is dangerous
<3> i do think living wages are a major concern right now, though.
<3> the disparity between low income workers and high income workers is m***ive
<5> that being said, it's pathetic the wages in california
<3> if housing costs werne't so high it wouldn't be that bad
<3> but there's a m***ive gap
<3> and a lot of people are desperate
<3> it's tough paying for college to improve your lot in life when you make 8.50/hr, can't get hired anywhere else and your rent is $1500/mo for a 2bdr ****hole
<5> indeed
<3> then your car breaks down
<3> and the electric company jacks your rates 20 percent
<5> heh
<3> etc etc etc
<3> :D
<5> let's see
<1> more like 200%
<1> re: electric rates
<3> yeah they've been raising it 20 percent every 6 months for the past 3 years
<3> it's begun to add up
<1> gas has gone outrageous
<5> we were barely making it before... now i have a new kid, a broke down car, and jacked rates on * :)
<5> nerp: stop reading my diary!
<3> i remember when I had m first place when I was 18, my electric bill was about $16-$25 a month
<1> I mean natural gas
<3> hahha aurelius. :D
<5> it's actually quite laughable.. i gotta laugh to keep sane :)
<3> i'm only doing well for myself because I found a diamond in the rough kind of job, i have a sweet deal on my apt and my girlfriend has been feeding me 3 square meals a day, saving me BUCKETS in food costs.
<1> hah. when I was 19, I was paying $89/month rent for a 1 BR studio.
<3> also i can ride my bike to work now.
<6> nerp, 8.50 would be a godsend to some people I know.
<1> utilities were included.
<3> damn hawk.
<1> I rode my bicycle *everywhere*, didn't have a car at all.
<5> peerce is aging himself
<3> I'm making way more than 8.50/hr and I still feel the pinch.
<7> Hell, here in Orlando, starting pay at the largest employer in the region is 6.70/hr
<3> i'm almost at $20/hr and that barely covers my expenses.. I could quit smoking dope and cigarettes I guess...
<1> Hawkeye; $6.75/hr is minimum wage here.
<3> i keep telling myself once my car is paid off in 2008, I'll be golden
<5> nerp: that's about where i am
<3> but by then an extra $300/mo will mean jack **** probably. :D
<1> IIRC, it was $1.35/hour when I was in HS.
<5> i'm waiting for my wife to start doing some part time ****
<3> my girlfriend and I are thinking of moving in together purely for economic reasons.
<3> although she and I would enjoy it for other reasons too.
<5> peerce: not $0.45?
<5> :)
<1> but that $89/mo. studio is probably $1200/month now
<3> my rent would go from $1,200 month to $300 month.
<1> and my then $300 bicycle, the equivalent bike today is about $2500-3000, as it was a top of the line touring/racing bike.
<5> yah
<5> i can't bike to work
<7> Lets see, I would imagine that Universal is probably the second largest employer in the region, and their starting pay is all of like 5 or 10 cents an hour more.
<1> I used to move to within 5 miles of whereever I was working.
<1> tourism makes for a lousy economy.
<7> Disney employees tend to live in 4br apartments with 3 roommates.
<1> lots of low paying mcjobs
<5> peerce: hard to do with family in tow sometimes
<1> with no future
<7> The apartments being built specifically for that type of living style.
<7> Each room having its own bathroom, and a lockable door.
<3> yeah around here most places have way more people packed in than there should be.
<3> and next door you have a 4,500 square foot mcmansion that's only used for 3 months by a rich family for the summer. :D
<3> nice disparity
<7> Now, I know some people that have been with Disney forever and a day ... and they do okay for themselves.
<5> hehe
<3> doesn't disney have a limit on how long you can work there
<3> so everyone remains "fresh?"
<7> nerp, no.
<3> no? i swear i thought for certian jobs, like if you're little bo peep or in costume.
<1> Hawkeye: if you plotted headcount vs pay range, I think you'd find its a very narrow curve what makes good money.
<7> Oh, well that's different. But doesn't mean you have to leave the company.
<1> nerp; yeah, you have to keep rotating for the mcjobs. back office is a career.
<7> With the exception of face actors ... very little rotation is every required at Disney.
<1> I used to know some guys who worked for Disney Imagineering, they were doing VERY nicely for themselves. but they were software engineers and artists and such.
<4> imagine that
<7> Imagineers are an interesting lot.
<7> And not subject to normal Disney policy either.
<8> ha. i fixed the JS issue myself, and it was totally obscure, that's to JS's utterly retarded sense of syntax.
<4> well
<4> msnbc video is worthless right now
<4> funny how they seem to have enough server power and bandwidth for the advertisements but not the actual content
<5> hehe
<1> heh, I remember when a friend of mine made a fat bundle off Disney back in the early 90s... he'd scored some Symbolics Lisp Machines as army surplus, from Fort Ord.. inside 2 of the three refrigerator sized 'workstations' were Pixar Image Computers, completely virgin, they were bolted in, but had apparently never beeen hooked up. the rest of the lisp machine had the usual 10 year old computer dust in it, but the pixars were spotless inside. anyways, he
<1> as Disney had a call out for more of them to finish the rendering for Beauty and the Beast
<1> http://www.specktech.com/PixarImageComputer.html
<4> michael berg's quote about the al-zarqawi death
<4> I have no sense of relief, just sadness that another human being had to die.
<7> I figure I need my machine, the cable modem, and my router on UPS as a minimum.
<7> Not really looking for usability during power outages ... just uptime during the brief moments of power hiccups
<1> I use two UPSs, one for the DSL modem and hub and stuff along with a phone, and another for my linux 'router'
<1> then another UPS for my desktop systme (which is in a different room)
<7> Well I now have a BackUPS 500 CS
<7> Brand spanking new.
<9> yeah, its nice to be able to ride through brown-outs and bumps
<7> The exchange up in GA had them half price
<7> We get a lot of bumps in florida during the summer.
<1> which is the CS? the one with teh slanted top and hte plugs on top?
<7> No
<7> Its the tradional shape.
<9> I have mine hooked to my router box, which is set up to hibernate my desktop with 15% power left, and hibernate itself with 10% power left
<7> A little slimer than usual.
<1> we get a lot of blinks here in the winter when storms are rolling through
<9> that way, my gateway box and cable modem stay up as long as possible
<9> and my desktop gets a clean shutdown if things are going boink
<7> http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=17
<7> Well I really don't see a need to power the monitor.
<7> I've got an old BackUPS 600 and a SmartUPS 700 here that just need new batteries.
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