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<0> but the implementation......it's like act
<0> great ideas, retarded programmers
<1> maybe he should manage others with his ideas
<0> well if I had say 3 weeks
<0> I could take his crap and make it good
<0> but good luck getting me 120 hours of programming time
<0> my average development time for a custom plugin is <3 hours
<0> including building and testing the installer
<1> sounds like you have lots of reusable code
<0> that and I know what i'm doing
<0> if a database schema is loaded that doesn't match the design spec, the plugin doesn't even load
<0> so you can't break it, period
<0> because all the ***umptions it makes, are always true
<2> don't the schemas evolve as new versions of act come out? what's to say it won't break in the future?
<0> pb, meaning the fields that the plugin touches, exist
<0> and that they are of the correct data type, and length
<1> pale_blue: the point is to break if it changes
<0> if the schema changes, it's because _I_ changed it
<0> users are stupid
<0> I prefer not to give them the option to **** **** up
<1> hey do you charge them if for some reason you need to change something to make it work?
<0> of course
<1> or has an act upgrade never made your module not load
<3> my version fo hell is going to be perpetually walking into the middle of conversations like that
<4> what antivirus program should I use?
<0> nah my plugins are built from 7.0 beta ***emblies
<0> and current version is 8.0.2
<0> it's compatible regardless what version they run
<1> i see
<2> wait, i think i'm now confused. you've got this layer over an SQL DB, you don't have direct administrative rights to, yet the end user dictates the schema? this **** sounds more and more ****ed up the more i hear about it.
<1> so the only way for it not to work is if they change the db
<0> pb, act can edit fields, add fields
<0> i just enumerate the fields that act can see
<0> correct poxy
<0> for example, if they load a different database, for some other reason/use
<0> the plugin hides itself, because that database has no use for my functionality
<0> when they switch back, it reappears
<1> you're good for a cow
<0> what's funny is a lot of these act consultants that code **** try to get really cute
<4> can someone recommend an antivirus program? I've heard bad things about norton and macaffee...
<1> code **** just like yours?
<2> you'll hear bad things about any antivirus software. pick whatever ****s the least.
<0> if they want to syncronize additional information to remote machines, they try to use access databases and build some merging logic
<5> furious mcafee isn't bad as long as you use 8.0i enterprise
<0> nah they make it overly complicated
<5> furious but norton ****s in general I dont care what anyone says
<0> act's syncronization model is it simply syncs files
<4> I've seen mcafee do horrible things to machines
<4> I got no ducats for enterprise edition :(
<0> so for any shared, distributed application, you'd have to somehow merge database files after they synced, which is very non-trivial
<1> try to access databases...illegally? how do you do it?
<0> i just make folders which are uniquely named for each contact, and date/time stamped in ticks
<0> nah they try and throw access mdb's out there to synfc
<0> i'm like....just use flatfiles you idiots
<1> can a human read your flat files?
<0> each contact has a unique primary key, make the folder name that value
<0> poxy, doesn't need to
<1> i know, just curious
<0> the plugin interfaces internally to act, showing the data
<0> and the overhead is non-exisitant
<0> if(folder exists) list files, else return
<0> and it's just a normal binary stream of characters for the actual data stored in each file
<1> so you dont even touch the db, you use your own little db(flat file)
<0> yeah it's just a ****load of flatfiles
<0> the actual filename is the absolute creation time, in ticks
<0> so that gives you your creation time, you don't even have to store it :P
<1> so... you mentioned how the other devels merge their data into the db to get it to other computers...how do you sync your data to other computers?
<0> act has it's own support for attachments
<0> i just make a directory in the "attachments" folder
<0> and act syncs it for me =)
<1> ok....kinda lost here because i have nfi what act is (i dont really care to though)
<0> the odds of two people, making a file at the exact same tick value, on the exact same contact are vanishingly small
<0> poxy, contact manager
<0> aka outlook contacts + history tracking/task completion/some sales crap
<1> kidna sounds like what outlook can do natively
<0> outlook doesn't record when you complete an activity
<0> and you can't report on it
<0> (to track how many calls/meetings a salesperson does)
<0> as much as I bitch about Act, when it's properly deployed and used, it really does boost sales efficiciency
<0> it's a good product....it just has some development theething still
<6> outlook does
<6> not only nativly but in more delth with BCM
<0> BCM!=outlook
<0> and it's not shared
<7> You go c0w.
<0> and it doesn't syncronize :P
<6> use BCM without outlook
<0> you need to upgrade to the bigger MS contact manager for that
<0> BCM is single user iirc
<6> well there is a non exchange version of BCM
<6> yes
<0> yeah, ms has a similar product, except it ****s
<6> yeah
<6> act doesnt though
<0> it's prolly more stable then act
<6> whatever :)
<0> but it still ****s :P
<0> oh, BCM also breaks act
<0> which i find hilarious
<0> sql sp4 + sp3a == no workie
<0> unless you install to an alternate drive
<1> whose fault is that breakage?
<0> act's
<6> does act integrate with MS contacts?
<6> er outlook
<0> outlook address books, yes
<0> native outlook email integration is slated for 9.x
<0> (~september)
<0> right now there is a helper app for email integratiopn
<0> that's the one part of act that truely ****S right now
<6> outlook contacts are saooo flexible
<0> because it's a port of an email client that was written 6 years ago
<6> and...
<0> flexible how
<6> really ****ing convoluted and unergonomic
<6> AND
<6> even better is how there is NO NATIVE AD INTEGRATION
<0> with act it's technically possible to create your own custom controls
<6> BECAUSE MS IS STUPID
<0> and embed them in the contact screen layout
<1> ldap++
<0> i've seen it, it's hot
<6> you can do all that in outlook
<0> liek ___hot___
<6> you cant link outlook contacts to ldap
<0> digi, in the contact information screen?
<6> well you need to build a form
<6> but yeah
<0> like a button next to address, that launches google maps?
<6> yes
<0> yeah
<0> it's funny actually
<0> i wrote like, 20 sample plugins about a year ago
<0> and all these idiots are just copying my code and not really understanding it
<0> and when i right sample code, it generally, doesn't have error correction/handling, because that makes the sample really long
<0> write*
<1> you should write sample code with bugs in it from now on
<1> well i guess that would look bad on you
<0> well they don't have bugs
<6> blame it on the rain
<0> but if _anything_ goes wrong, it breaks
<1> or you could say "this code contains one serious bug to prevent copy/paste usage"
<8> or leave it incomplete
<0> and the error message the user will get from the act sdk is "Object Refrence not set to an instance of an object"
<0> no matter what the actual error is
<0> that's all it ever returns
<8> hahahaah, yeah, thats user friendly!
<8> in Vulcan, anyways.
<9> hello boys
<9> whats up. what was that awards show tonight? grammies? oscars? crappies?
<0> well i give the code out because, well
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