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<sartan> or would you like to
<seifried3> good god no
<seifried3> I do infosec
<seifried3> I'd ****ing lobotomize myself if I had to
<sartan> hah
<sartan> what kind of security work do you do
<seifried3> work for a company, analysis/reports
<Ted-Lap> he's the guy driving around the mall parking lot
<Dovinshka> MSBA :P
<sartan> firewall bitch!
<seifried3> MSBA?
<seifried3> managed security B A ?
<sartan> microsoft security baseline analyzer.
<sartan> you're supposed to be in the loop man.
<Dovinshka> :D
<seifried3> hahaha
<seifried3> sure
<sartan> msba was on 210-270 i think.
<sartan> beta version even
<seifried3> I wrote an mcse nt 4.0 a long time ago
<Dovinshka> I forget the numbers.
<sartan> or was it 290
<sartan> man i dont care =)
<sartan> i'll stickw ith my mcsa2k and not write another microsoft exam in my life if i can get away with it.
<seifried3> good luck
<Dovinshka> I was teaching my instructor better Exchange practices.
<seifried3> exchange is a beast I am afraid of
<Dovinshka> I love Exchange.
<digidog> well most instructors have a ciriculum that is outdated
<Dovinshka> It helps to have a level of knowledge of AD.
<seifried3> and little practical knowledge
<sartan> i stu mbled across an ios trick yesterday i wasn't aware of
<digidog> remember, they teach and they don't practice
<sartan> or today
<digidog> they USED to practice
<seifried3> seems most are simple boot camp grads who can remember it for more than a week
<sartan> access-list 101 permit tcp any any 80.
<sartan> ^Z
<digidog> no
<sartan> debug ip packets 101
<Dovinshka> digidog, yeah but it fuelled my ego :)
<digidog> well remember he/she makes mroe money than you
<digidog> so they are ok with it :)
<seifried3> most instructors I know, the good ones only make like 100k a year
<digidog> only?
<seifried3> yeah only
<digidog> how is 100k chump change?
<Dovinshka> That's a nice salary.
<sartan> only =(
<seifried3> compared to what you can make consulting
<digidog> pfft
<digidog> HAHA
<sartan> seifreid makes 150 thousand grand a year.
<sartan> a thousand thousand grand.
<Dovinshka> Mmm millions.
<digidog> you dont make **** consulting unless you have jobs, not to mention your out of pocket expenses
<digidog> insurance
<digidog> etc
<digidog> "i make $125/hr"
<sartan> im having lots of opportunity to start contracting/consulting.
<sartan> thinking of becoming incorporated.
<sartan> (FOR 2 HOURS)
<seifried3> digidog: most people **** at consulting, I'll agree
<digidog> "i work an average of 18 hours a week"
<seifried3> doesn't mean you can't make a bundle though
<digidog> you can hear and there
<digidog> but i would take the 100K guarentee anyday
<seifried3> I've been doing it for 7 years
<digidog> so would most people
<digidog> ive been in the same IT job for 7 years
<digidog> and it's my 5th
<seifried3> ick
<digidog> company
<digidog> thats a 'good' thing
<seifried3> I like a bit of mobility and change
<digidog> i have no lack of change
<digidog> we change technology all the time
<seifried3> it's not like being somewhere for a long time means you get job security nowadays
<digidog> im fairly certain i am secure
<seifried3> oh it can be done
<digidog> and my raises have been good
<seifried3> but let's face it, there's not much real loyalty
<sartan> i was! until they decided to relocate.
<digidog> i dont need loyalty
<sartan> 2 years. KABOOT.
<seifried3> say that when they can you heh
<digidog> i run everything IT wise, so the loyalty is how loyal I am
<digidog> not how loyal THEY are
<Dovinshka> digidog knows the admin p***word. They balls are comfortably sitting in his bands ;)
<digidog> actually im not sure i do
<Dovinshka> *Their.
<digidog> but im not an admin
<Dovinshka> Oh?
<digidog> id have to look that **** up
<sartan> p***words are for chumps
<sartan> if you're really into security you dont need them.
<sartan> yup
<digidog> now p***keys
<digidog> sartan memorizes his PGP sig
<digidog> there is no copy paste for him
<digidog> anyhow
<digidog> the point was most MCT's dont give a **** about smart *** students
<cHiKNPad> i can convert to md5 in my head
<seifried3> dude. so last month
<sartan> mct. yay
<digidog> i would like to be an mct
<digidog> for a year or two
<digidog> that would be it though
<digidog> eh, not sure i could make two
<seifried3> no love for those shiny happy eager faces? =)
<Dovinshka> There will always be smart *** students.
<digidog> my goal is to stick around for another 2 years and if we havent douobled in size move on
<digidog> to project management for workflow design
<seifried3> that sounds actually somewhat interesting
<digidog> pays well too
<seifried3> digidog: if you do that I'd advise reading edward tufte's books
<seifried3> on display of visual information/etc
<digidog> the graphics design dude?
<seifried3> information display
<seifried3> some of which is graphics design yes
<digidog> i would probably do more data analysis type stuff
<digidog> sharepoint/sql/biz analysis/transformations/etc
<seifried3> also things like gantt charts, text, etc
<digidog> my goal in the next 60 days is to totally remove myself from telecom amnagement
<digidog> and if i evefr have to be involved with it again
<digidog> i will quit
<peerce> heh. dealing with the telephone company ****s... the shedevil at work who dealt with AT&T billing problems used to sit near me. holy crap, that was literally her full time job, auditing phone bills, and reaming AT&T for every mistake. and there were lots.
<seifried3> I remember when I worked for the gov the monthly phone bill came in via courier one time
<seifried3> about 12 inches thick
<seifried3> such is life
<digidog> im about to outsource all 1000 of our lines
<digidog> spread across 160 sites across the US
<seifried3> digidog: who the heck is reliable enough for taht?
<digidog> ive had it
<digidog> NOT ME
<peerce> we're a multinational high tech manufacturing company with 40,000 employees. lots and lots of telecomm.
<digidog> ive got a company that will do it for 20 bucks a month
<digidog> per site
<seifried3> man that's funny
<peerce> i can't wait to hear how THAT works out.
<digidog> oh they do it for trammel crow and united dominion
<digidog> those two companies are huge
<seifried3> that .. that's less than you spend for coffee per site I bet
<seifried3> I hope anyways =)
<digidog> theyve got the **** down
<seifried3> digidog: doesn't mean it's any good
<digidog> you know what
<digidog> its good if i dont have to **** with it
<seifried3> you don't care? =)
<digidog> exactly
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