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<0> hrm
<0> it kicks ***
<1> DPM looks interesting
<2> z0g^g, not that difficult, only if it's a DC and you have to deal with FSMO's.
<3> Virtual Server is free *AND* if you buy Windows Enterprise, you can run 4 virtual Windows servers at no extra license cost
<1> hey gimp
<0> i'm trying to break my opteron at work
<3> with Datacenter, you get unlimited
<1> did you see that image CD included with VS 2005?
<0> i have 4 virtual machines on that ****
<0> all running prime 95 :P
<4> Dov-Work: ill have to take another look. id hate to buy a buncha 2003 licenses just for vss when we rarely run into a situation where someone ****s up a file
<0> digi no, because they all said "express" on the outside
<0> so i tossed em
<1> heh
<3> So yeah, Windows 2003 Server Enterprise for like $4K or some ****, and you can run up to 4 Virtual Windows Servers underneath that *and* virtual server is free
<0> what's it called?
<3> oh
<1> its a CD with stock images..
<1> i have no idea why
<3> and that Virtualization license deal with Windows Server is still good if you use Vmware
<2> z0g^g as I said earlier. It reduces user error.
<1> like pictures of people eating n ****
<0> just images?
<5> fk: wow, that is crazy
<0> ahahahahaha
<0> wait
<4> Dov-Work: Actually I would believe it would increase user error, as they would be more prone to error knowing they can easily revert to a previous save.
<3> Longhorn's gonna have the ring 0 hypervisor though too
<0> what do you mean 4 virtual server's
<5> fk: what about the whole argument... u lose a piece of hardware on that server, all 5 "servers" go down?
<2> If they **** up, all they have to do is restore the file from when it was last modified.
<0> like, one machine running 4 vm's?
<0> cause i'm doin that under xp
<0> =)
<3> Gimp-Cow: If you buy Windows Server 2003 Enterprise, you are licensed to run up to four virtual machines with Windows on that server.
<3> if you get Datacenter, you get unlimited
<0> oh with the same media
<2> z0g^g, but it would be on their onus. Less reliant on file restoration from backup media.
<0> makes sense now
<4> Dov-Work: its true. users knowing they are fully responsible for their files, intelligent users (im dealing with intelligent users, not office clerical drones) will create their own backups and save regularly.
<0> not that it would matter, cause the hardware activation would be the same :P
<3> well
<3> if you get Enterprise, you don't activate Windows server
<3> it's volume keyed
<0> all the action pack **** is volume
<0> well, most of it
<2> Which is fantastic for when someone uses Magical Jellybean to broadcast that key on the net :/
<2> Hide that ****!
<0> no but like, i haven't tried ESX granted
<3> ESX is better than Virtual Server
<3> for now
<0> but ms vm, i didn't have to reboot, and the **** just _worked_ like right away
<2> GSX.
<0> plus the whole web thing is just neat
<4> its gonna be hard for MS to ever trump vmware.
<3> GSX is gone. GSX is free VMware Server now
<2> Yeah.
<1> ok this webcast presenter is annoying
<0> digi webex is the devil
<3> digidog who is it
<5> fk: what is your hardware goes bad in that server though? all five servers go down
<0> that program pissed me off so many ****ing times
<0> Desp, the images are on a backup server
<3> Desp: I'm not consolidating everything to one server :D
<0> and you can bizoot them
<3> and yeah
<3> they're just images
<0> and it's teh magic
<3> that can be backed up with Volume Shadow Copy
<3> hahah
<0> hahaha
<3> right click on your virtual server
<3> "Previous Versions"
<0> hehehe
<4> when you modify the AD are the USNs in the image updated too?
<0> fk, that would be hot
<5> that is included in the free vmserver?
<3> z0g^g: I wouldn't rely on that for my AD state backup
<3> that would be part of my system state backup
<3> AD is treated different
<0> hrm
<3> There's nothing wrong with bare metal restoring a DC either
<1> exchange can do it do
<3> as long as you have a good backup of AD
<1> information store "previous versions"
<3> I'd be scared with Exchange
<1> well the problem is
<5> what is this previous versions you guys are talking about? where are you accessing that?
<1> people go backwards :)
<1> everyone
<3> plus
<1> BUT
<6> why cant i delete an entry from the registry ?
<1> its good in the event of a disaster or corruption
<3> ok so you consolidate everything onto one bad*** compaq
<3> ok what if it goes down?
<3> ok
<3> have TWO compaqs
<1> cause it only takes a short time to restore
<2> Carlo__, permissions.
<1> properties
<6> hmm I can delete some things
<0> it wouldn't take any time at _all_ to restore
<0> cause you'd store the vm's on a san
<3> If they want 100% uptime, they need to approve a backup server. Period.
<1> i was talking about exchange
<0> and just boot off that
<6> how do i get permissions?
<3> IF they don't want to approve a backup server, they need to deal with downtime, whcih would be SHORT if all your servers are virtual images
<4> approve a Stratus server!
<5> you can do a backup of these images right in vmware server?
<4> i believe those are capable of 100% uptime
<2> If you KNOW what you are doing, you can right click on the key in question and select permissions. Change them accordingly.
<0> they are just files desp
<3> yeah you can hot backup with ESX I think
<3> not sure about VMWare Server though
<3> but
<0> fk, shadow copy bitch.
<6> Dov it wont let me
<0> :P
<3> where I work, we're not 24 hours.
<1> so like
<3> I can script down a virtual machine
<1> we have an online backup server
<3> back it up
<3> script it back up
<1> i guess i could install DPM on that, yes?
<3> yeah
<2> Carlo__, you right clicked on the key and permissions is not listed?
<0> my backup consists of 5 250gb usb 2 harddrives
<3> DPM on the virtual host
<3> and backup your virtual machines that way
<0> which was considerably cheaper then a 250gb tape drive and scsi card :P
<1> we use all USB drives for backups as well
<1> 15
<0> sweet
<4> http://www.stratus.com/products/ftserverwseries/6600/index.htm greater then 99.999% uptime. they dont claim 100% though
<1> actually 10 now
<0> we aren't even at 25% usage yet
<7> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
<3> I think I'm gonna steal the other side of our Apple XServe RAID just for hot recovery copies of our virtual servers
<0> so i let the backups build for a while before erasing
<3> cause we're virtualizing the **** out of our crap
<6> it says error while deleteing key
<0> FKnight`, just wait until quad core
<0> in a quad socket.
<2> Carlo__, did you CHANGE the permission?
<5> fk: so you plan on taking your servers down in the middle of the night to automate a backup of them?
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