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<0> i still haven't designed the vacuum pump
<0> but i have decided that it's a huge waste of money to use threaded br*** fittings for everything
<0> so i'm going to get sweat adapters for the threaded components and plumb it with 1/2" copper
<1> pneumatic fittings aren't all that much..
<0> i have to build a manifold
<0> those plans i pointed you to have about $60 in br*** fittings
<2> what's the PFY ?
<0> i should be able to do that with about $10 worth of copper
<1> otoh.. since it's going unlike to ever need to be dis***embled, soldering is no problem..
<0> right
<3> 'lo
<0> actually i've been thinking about the thing a lot
<1> almost everything that's used in refrigeration systems is soldered..
<3> warp manifold?
<2> (in the BOFH context)



<0> it should be so trivial to make vacuum clamping jigs for just about everything i do
<1> though they use copper/phosphorus rather than tin/lead..
<0> this is going to be a very versatile piece of equipment
<1> dmi, manifold basically means many outputs
<0> probably because of the amonnia
<1> or freon... which they still manage to leak sometimes..
<0> i'm going to be boring
<4> Hey folks.. I had to make a small tweak... but i think It is fully working!!
<4> I am soo excited.
<4> :)
<0> i'm just using air
<0> groovy, mcfry
<1> you *always* get a smell of ammonia around systems that use it.. a little always leaks from the compressor seals
<4> thanks everyone...
<0> mcfry
<0> when you're done with what you're doing
<0> go back and play with awk and sed some more
<4> I ran it only on 50k on data... now I am going to run it on a 5 meg file and see what happens
<0> so you don't forget what you learned today
<4> roy: ok.. thanks.. and I will not :)
<5> ..
<6> my boss is an idiot.
<3> night
<3> Hawson: does he have pointy hair?
<6> no, but it exceedingly round
<6> despite the hair.
<6> (full head of hair)
<6> egglike, almost
<4> thanks folks...
<7> anyone aware of ssh connections getting stuck in FIN_WAIT1 state and the remote ssh server no longer responds?
<4> have a good night
<7> this is with OpenSSH_3.6.1
<8> Redhat 3?
<7> yep, RHEL3 AS
<7> the FIN_WAITs clear after a few hours
<7> 5-6 hrs that is
<7> really strange
<7> Mouring, would you know ..
<8> I know that version is old.
<9> Sony's shares fell as much as 4.4 percent on Monday after Merrill Lynch said in a research note last week that the PS3's launch might be delayed by six to 12 months and the cost of production could initially approach $900 per unit.
<10> help: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXt
<1> ant, try adding -L /usr/X11R6/lib to the commandline
<1> can anyone recommend an inexpensive broadcom based plain pci gigabit nic? (my favourite doesn't seem to be produced anymore)
<10> Figz, thanks but its on the command line already
<1> ant, ok, next step: ls -ld /usr/X11R6/lib <- does it exist?
<1> if so, how about an libXt.so*
<10> it's libXt.a, .so.9.0
<10> yep
<1> you've got both of those?
<10> vi openbsd
<1> .a and .so.9.0?
<10> yeah and 1 more
<10> no, sorry only 2
<1> that's correct/normal..
<10> hmm
<1> can you show the link commandline?
<10> pardon?
<7> has anyone had hands on playing with Linux BIOS?
<10> you mean what's throwing the error?
<1> the full command, just before the error was returned



<10> sec
<10> ok well
<10> it's makefile compiling mesa
<10> and it's mklib: Making OpenBSD shared library libGLw.so.1.0.0
<10> and in the config file
<1> are you building this yourself, or are you using ports?
<2> anyone in here work at google?
<10> building
<10> GLUT_LIB_DEPS = blah blah -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -l Xext -lXmu -lXt blah blah
<10> strange eh?
<10> no errors for the Xext or Xmu
<10> although it kinda quits after that
<10> or "stops"
<1> why are you building a stand alone mesa in the first place?
<10> uhhh
<1> afaik a software gl is included in openbsd's standard X11 distribution..
<10> well, it's glut
<10> err mesa
<1> there's a glut port.. works with the base X11..
<10> i.e. mesa
<1> if your eventual application isn't in ports, you can still go through and add those dependencies which are
<1> ie, if it needs glut, install the glut port rather than doing that part manually
<10> you have to compile it
<10> for openbsd
<10> wait
<1> sure, but there's a glut port
<1> cd /usr/ports/graphics/glut && make install
<11> hey guys
<10> i found an install script to help
<10> nope
<10> same
<1> why are you making things so hard for yourself?
<10> that port does not exist
<10> well, i don't know wha tyou mean by "port"
<10> i guess
<1> man ports
<1> ports build packages.. packages are the standard way of installing software on bsd's
<10> freebsd
<1> if the software you need has a port for it, use that
<10> openbsd only has packages
<1> openbsd has and uses a freebsd inspired (though no longer directly similar) ports system
<1> you'd normally do something like: cd /usr && cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.usa.openbsd.org:/cvs co ports
<1> hmm
<1> make that
<1> cd /usr && cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.usa.openbsd.org:/cvs co -r OPENBSD_3_8 ports (***uming you're running 3.8)
<1> the cd graphics/glut && make install
<10> hmm ok thx
<1> or just download the package, if one's available
<10> there's no package
<10> :(
<1> what arch/os release are you on?
<10> 3.8, i386
<10> err, i386x 3.8
<10> :P
<1> PERMIT_PACKAGE_FTP= "incomplete license"
<1> there's the problem
<1> it's not clear that it'd be legal to distribute packages
<1> but you can still build it yourself
<10> that's what i wuz trying
<1> no, I mean a port is available
<10> oh
<10> looking for it
<1> so you can use the port to build a package for your own use.. openbsd just can't distribute pre-built packages
<1> ie, you can choose to ignore the fishy license.. openbsd can't take the risk
<10> hmf
<10> cover your *** eh?
<8> bet policy ever created.
<8> /bet/best/
<12> I actually read it as best ;)
<1> it's not implausible that a pissed off group could convince a judge to seize openbsd hardware and shut down distribution and the like
<1> (most likely in the usa)
<8> Would be interesting to see that ruling. There would have to be proof that OpenBSD profitted by including the software.
<8> Actually be more interesting to see the motion that would bring about that ruling.
<10> I'm seeing a Makefile in the port dir for this


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