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<tchang> hahaha
<tchang> about damn time yashy ;)
<pbug> yashy: I took a smaller leap, I actually looked at job ads early in the day..
<Yashy> pbug: Well, I did the same, but one looked fun so I applied. Totally different field, but looked fun.. so took a shot in the dark :)
<pbug> if there was just anything that had freakin' purpose..
<pbug> I don't want to be a boring sysadmin that has a daily routine of switching tape trays for backups day in day out.. I want to work for something that I can be proud of
<Yashy> everything has some purpose.. just usually that purpose is the bottom line of company X :)
<Hawson> hmm...must have hit ctrl-s list night by mistake
<Yashy> Hawson: what happened to your dns?
<Hawson> what DNS?
<Yashy> oh I thought you usually had rdns on irc.. I must be thinking of your email addy instead
<Hawson> no....
<Yashy> pbug: Have you seen www.privaterra.org?
<pbug> no
<pbug> hrmm I think firefox is going to time out on that link
<pbug> yeah it just timed out
<Hawson> anyone know of any CLI programs that will non-interactively set quotas?
<Hawson> (or do I have to write one myself?)
<Yashy> pbug: weird, it appears to be done. It does some pretty cool stuff.. worth checking out.
<Sobh_> is it possibe to add remote drive/partition to your local LVM
<Hawson> Sobh_: not really.
<tchang> edquota can do it can't it
<Hawson> you could try using a network block device, but that's about it.
<Hawson> tchang: edquota is only interactive
<Sobh_> i know i've heard that you can export/import partitions/etc as block devices remotely
<wettoast> Yashy: compiles fine for me
<pbug> yashy: either I have no route to there or they are filtering me
<Sobh_> but how , and how does one go about adding remote drives to an lvm
<pbug> yet I'm not seeing any icmp unreachables.. so probably a filter
<wettoast> ===> Configuring for php5-readline-5.1.2
<wettoast> ...
<wettoast> Build complete.
<Sobh_> any links on that?
<Yashy> pbug: I just got connection refused.. for the first in +5 years.
<Hawson> Sobh_: I'm telling you that you can't. Generally speaking.
<pbug> telnet: connect to address 128.100.171.30: Connection timed out
<Hawson> there are some work-arounds, such as "network block devices", that fake having a "local" device for a remote drive, but using those is uncommon.
<Sobh_> oh alright
<Yashy> wettoast: thanks for trying.. must be on my end.. http://www.devrandom.org/p/83
<Sobh_> Hawson, Any url or something i can read?
<Yashy> pbug: yeah, I'd just try again later.
<Hawson> Sobh_: what OS?
<Sobh_> linux
<Hawson> search for "ENBD"
<Hawson> enhanced network block device
<Sobh_> I don't really need space, i've got 100gb to spare, it was more like a proof of concept
<Hawson> have you considered NFS?
<Sobh_> i asked these questions in ##linux on freenode.net, they laughed and said stfu
<Sobh_> I always knew here is the right place :)
<Hawson> Sobh_: yeah, that's about right.
<Hawson> #linuxhelp is good sometimes as well
<Sobh_> feel free to laugh
<Sobh_> but I did
<Sobh_> laptop:/home/bunghole on /home/bunghole/laptop type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.1.3)
<Sobh_> nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
<Sobh_> :)
<Sobh_> like I said, proof of concept nothing else really
<Sobh_> i have a really good buddy of mine, he is a .NET developer for an oil company, makes six figures he does
<Sobh_> but knows nothing about non-ms products AT ALL
<Sobh_> i show him ssh-X and he goes insane
<Hawson> that's unsurprising
<Sobh_> i show him freenx from my pc and a mile down the street to his house over cox cable
<Sobh_> he almost pissed himself
<Hawson> and he obviously has no incentive to learn either--he's paid well enough
<Sobh_> hehe
<Sobh_> Hawson thank you for the last info
<Hawson> sure
<Sobh_> dhartmei, Mouring.. thank you for the help and probably for getting me fired tomorrow
<Sobh_> bye guys
<pbug> you won't get fired
<Sobh_> i was joking
<Hawson> What did you charlatans tell him?
<Hawson> ;-)
<pbug> he wanted a p***word protection on screen on an account shared by many people..we tried to tell him there is no secrets to the same uid processes of other people
<spuug> Well the screen p***word is probably the right level of protection for a shared account.
<pbug> well dhartmei did most of the telling..in a pretty good manner too
<Mouring> hawson, we told him to.. ermm.. umm.. nevermind.. It isn't PG-13.
<Mouring> yaya.. Plants emit methane!
<pbug> mouring: maybe this prooves that they can not only communicate but plan ahead for an ice age by causing a certain amount of global warming
<pbug> proves rather
<Mouring> 10 to 30% of all methane could be from plants.
<pbug> I thought it was more than that
<Hawson> That much? I find that somewhat surprising
<Mouring> Listening to Q&Q from CBC on Trees and Methane.
<Yashy> wettoast: ale@freebsd just wrote me back (in less than 1/2 hour!) he's just fixed it, so I'll try it again.
<Mouring> The rainforest creates the most methane!!!! Cut down the trees!!!! Save the earth!
<Hawson> need coffee
<pbug> it's not so simple.. the most important thing to understand is that we know nothing about the earth, since the times of recorded history only around 60 generations have p***ed and yet we know nothing about most of our forefathers
<Mouring> pbug, you are taking me too seriously like normal. =-)
<Hawson> we have good data for ~2 generations, and fair (at best) data for about 2 more after that
<pbug> oh never mind then.. just trying to say something..
<Mouring> hawson, do we have "good data"? Or do we have tolerable data for ~2 generations and spotty data for 2 more and random bits of useless facts before that?
<Hawson> I would say that we have good data for the last few decades, and some useful data from before that
<Mouring> If we have results but ended up with those results from invalid or incomplete studies is the final data collected useful?
<Hawson> we do not have much data older than ~ 200 years
<Hawson> (that is directly useful)
<Hawson> Mouring: yes. it is
<Mouring> hawson, in a limited scope of the study. It may not be extandable as they wish.
<Hawson> No, but that's where the statisticians come in--they can determine if the data is useful
<Hawson> It is almost *never* a bad thing to have more data.
<Mouring> If you are counting Males or Females and ignore the fact there is a small subset are neither.. and you determine that 40:60 ratio.. How valid is the results?
<Mouring> ignore or don't know about..
<Hawson> data like that, we don't have.
<Hawson> or is spotty
<Hawson> and again, that's where statistics come in...
<Hawson> given the size of an overall population (or a good guess), you determine how large a sample you need to take to get meaning results
<Hawson> although I suppose that I just don't have faith
<pbug> what is a scientist? if it's someone paid off by a corporation or government to say whatever favours their thirst for a stronger economy then I say anyone writing daily temperatures into a diary is more accurate than what they come up with "officially"
<Hawson> pbug: no.
<Hawson> Flat out: No.
<pbug> that doesn't answer my first question
<pbug> what is a scientist?
<Hawson> a scientist, a *good* one--and I know many of them--are doing science because they are curious, and want to learn about the world around them
<Hawson> they may see science as a route to obtaining other things (fame, money), but that is the core motivation
<pbug> yeah but you also know that scientists will bull**** their way through things in order to keep their jobs...
<Hawson> Actually, I don't know many like that at all
<wettoast> pbug: those are called evil scientists, or sometimes mad.
<Hawson> I should note that I work in a university
<Mouring> pbug, not many of those are respected or listen to after they prove themselves wrong.
<pbug> sometimes bringing new ideas into the scientific community is a waste of time, they'll gang up on you and bury you with your ideas.. for a while ... then someone of their own will claim an idea as worthy and they'll follow the lead and credit him
<Hawson> having said that, there are *PLENTY* of people here who hate their jobs, think their boss is an ***hole, work *only* to get a paycheck and don't care about science.
<Hawson> BUT, they are *NOT* scienctists. They are, typically, the non-research staff (admin folks, etc)
<Hawson> the people doing research are doing it because they *WANT* to do it.
<Hawson> pbug: that does happen, alas, soemtimes.
<Mouring> hawson, or getting through their forced research project so they can go on to do what they want.=-)
<Hawson> The scientific field is not perfect, I'll admit.
<Hawson> But it's ****ton better than the corprorate world in some respects
<Hawson> Mouring: <nod>
<pbug> the good thing about science is that everything that is new builds on top of something else that was discovered
<Hawson> yes.
<Hawson> As a whole, I'd trust a group of scientists about something over almost any other group
<Mouring> without the mucking around of understanding the old discoveries.
<Hawson> Mouring: that's not true, actualyl
<pbug> understanding old discoveries is important too
<pbug> because you may come to different conclusions that could open new avenues of knowledge
<Hawson> ****ing SSH scanners
<Mouring> ermm.. someone very serious in attempting to brute force root on my box.
<Hawson> ditto
<Hawson> 220.135.88.151
<Mouring> ip: 211.57.49.131:
<pbug> now now...
<pbug> just put your sshd on a different port that's what I do
<pbug> they'll never bother you again
<Hawson> not much help for servers that need general access. :-/
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