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<0> thats a stupid analogy
<0> unix is more of a model-t, since its much older
<1> Not to mention the fact that I've never seen windows "fly" ? :p
<2> but it is still a funny image to have in your mind.
<2> my gawd.. GPLv3 draft has ensured I'll be using BSD 2-clause for the rest of my life.
<2> I can understand BSD 2-clause without needing a lawyer and two bottles of whiskey... I can't say the same for GPLv3 draft.
<0> heh
<2> ermm.. Should "Sendmail X" design document scare me?
<2> "[..] easy to define a bijective function [..]" .. Umm.. my dictionary sure doesn't have "bijective" in it.
<3> yay I love watchguards, when you have two boxes for redundancy, they both go down!
<4> hahhaha
<3> how that happens I have no idea.
<3> had the same problem prior to an upgrade. which didn't fix it, apparently. we're running on one box cause the other one might be hosing things up.
<3> for some reason I thought cisco routers could do port filtering.
<4> they can, through acls
<3> yeah thats what I thought. hmm
<3> might be the way to go.
<3> I can't think of any reason for "real" firewall.
<3> except troubleshooting.
<2> mr_you, ***ume you mean a "separate firewall"
<3> well seperate yes, but also packet inspection, etc.
<3> I'll probably have to have a firewall just for marketing purposes.
<4> spi is nice
<4> ios acls can't do spi
<3> nod
<2> tchang, that is odd.. at one time they could do Statefull Packet Inspection.
<4> the router ios?
<2> they had an added module before they moved it to PIX.
<2> yes the router itself.
<4> i've only seen pix's do it
<2> Cisco just wants you to buy more hardware. =-)
<4> yeah
<2> granted SPI doesn't buy you much.. Most people confuse it with IDS. Which is a different horse.
<4> spi is necessary for any production fw imo
<2> and IDS definitely needs its own box.
<3> I'll probably end up suggesting Cisco PIX. In fact, do they do basic routing?
<4> yes
<3> I don't think we would need a router then.
<2> Mr_You, you'll need the router to connect to your WAN since I don't believe PIX supports CSU/DSU connections.
<3> nah this is in a colo.
<2> PIX was designed originally for local net routing
<3> though I'm not sure if we could go with redundant PIX.
<2> if all you are taking in in Ethernet then PIX should be fine and no router is needed.
<3> well it is the egress for the colo LAN.
<4> how much traffic do you see
<2> Should CISCO has a the redudant patient that spawned CARP.
<3> nod
<3> I think it ranges from 5mbps to 25mbps right now, with up to 30 or 45 mbps, I forget.
<2> that should more than likely be implied that CARP came about due to bad evil cisco patents on the @#$#%^#$% Redudndancy protocol that was already written.
<2> in fact why not just use OpenBSD with pfsync.=-)
<2> screw CISCO.
<3> if it were my network I might, but its work.
<2> Save work 1/2 a Mill and they may give you some of it.=-)
<3> and getting experience in that stuff pays the bills, not OpenBSD pfsync ;-)
<3> well, I would do that by using what we have with port filters.
<3> we don't have a support contract with cisco, I just mentioned that most places have them.
<3> I could care less really, usually pretty reliable routers.
<3> and often that stuff is marketable.
<3> "Cisco Based Network" blah blah blah
<4> cisco "powered" network
<3> thats it.
<2> "If you want to spend the money on CISCO hardware just give it to OpenBSD project and installed OpenBSD. At least you are ***ured that 100% of the money goes to a needy programmer and not a rich CEO's Pocket book."
<3> and when a customer calls because something is broken you can say you are talking with who to fix the problem? ;-)
<2> "I'll get the head of the OpenBSD project right on that." =-)
<3> they'll say who?
<2> And they would know who the head of Cisco is? =-)
<3> no, but they would know who Cisco is.
<2> come on.. most clients are clueless.. They don't give a flying **** if you have to call the President of the USA.. They just want it fixed.
<3> but at the same time I'm kinda interested in Juniper, uggh
<2> FINE.. I'll start a company called "Cysko" =-)
<4> sysco
<3> I'm just tired of **** going down.
<2> tchy, but it can't be produnced, "C Ys KO!" <grin> As you walk out the door leaving them with a $500k worth of dead hardware.
<5> actually, there's sysco
<5> and that does food products and food related products like paper plates paper towels napkins plastic silverware etc
<0> Mr_You: my friend works in tech support at worldcom/mci (or whatver its called today) He says the Juniper routers are great
<4> i actually have heard good things about the juniper routers
<4> but i've also heard a lot of what sounded like marketing crap
<5> hmmm
<5> juniper.
<5> overkill for home, no>?
<2> I have friend with cisco switches and 2501 at home.=-)
<2> He was at one time attempting to score a cheap RADSL card... but that failed.
<0> AC-130U: for home, yeah.
<5> hmmmm.
<5> would like to have something more robust than linksys.
<5> dont get me wrong
<2> netgear
<5> linksys is *great* for home, but i feel it is limited in some respects
<5> old netgear i like
<2> linksys is junk now that they are owned byt the big "C"
<5> new netgear *ugh*
<4> i don't really have many demands to make of my home wan connection
<5> linksys WRT54G great
<5> dlink, *juuuuuuuuunk*
<0> for home, i would use free/open bsd.
<2> wet, ya but how many PCI radsl cards to you see? =-)
<2> /to you/do you/
<5> are there 4 port nic's?
<4> yup
<4> i have a server with 4 of those :)
<5> and how much do they run? :P
<4> hell if i know
<4> i just pointed them out
<2> more than I care to admit. =-)
<5> heh.
<2> Depending on the configuration it can be a true 4 port ethernet or it could be 1 port and a switch.
<4> it's four controllers
<2> tch, yes there are two different types.
<5> hmm
<5> so i could just use it as a 'switch' (the 4 port nic)
<6> Xorg.... im testing a new config... brings me up to a blank desktop screen with no windows... how do i close this thing gracefully?
<3> I almost want to scrounge up 2 NICs for this "temporary" VPN so I can replace another watchguard that is causing problems with the VPN cause thats the in the future but with production quality hardware. bleah
<0> hrm... im really considering the Sun Fire X2100 for a small mail server
<3> The new Suns, x86 and UltraSparc, seem nice.
<3> can't wait to see their blades.
<0> its a single opteron system, with2 hot-plug sata drives
<0> for 745 usd
<6> anyone?
<0> Mr_You: will they be sparc or amd?
<4> ctl + alt + f6 to go to another term
<6> then i have to kill it?
<3> ferret: CTRL+BACKSPACe, IIRC
<3> or CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE.
<6> ctrl alt backspace did it, thanks
<6> now to figure out how to specify a window manager instead of this vanilla one...
<3> wettoast: who knows.. the whole industry needs a ch***is standard, but I imagine it would do either.
<0> its too bad you cant customize the servers, you can only selec their preconfigured specs
<0> a barebone would be sweet
<3> helps their margins I guess.
<0> Opteron 146, 512 RAM for $745 usd. Thats not bad.
<2> Cisco 605 + 2x 4port (real, no switch) + OpenBSD would be a nice firewall/web/mail box
<2> or at least a nice firewall box with VPN and correct DMZ
<0> thats what OpenVPN is for :P
<2> great.. so OpenVPN works by itself with no OS.
<7> That's what 486s are for :)
<3> its convenient and we don't need 768-bit encryption heh
<3> specially when you are doing SSL or ssh within PPTP
<0> well, i guess if you dont want something with a hard drive, then forget that..
<2> 4096bit SSL! Accept no less!
<3> I tell people to turn on LT2P p***through encase I wanna go there some day.
<2> No one needs 8192! That is overkill!
<3> s/encase/in case/
<7> I'm still waiting for my certificate to generate..
<8> panthers are weird
<8> compared to us rabbits :)
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