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<0> openbsd has close to zero commercial motivation or influence
<1> maybe popularity is what linux has best as an advantage
<0> it's often said that the 1993 at&t lawsuit against the csrg is what allowed linux to get a toehold, despite initially being vastly inferior to bsd
<1> thank you
<1> I backed up my databese into db.sql via Webmin but now I cannot restore it. When I execute the file in the db I get most of the tables but still tons of errors
<1> webmin ****s, I know
<1> :/
<2> Any Indy fans here I can taunt? :)
<3> wtf is indy? :D
<4> Indiana Jones fans
<3> ah
<3> seen some of the movies
<3> :D
<2> Indianapolis
<4> besides Indy is also my cat
<1> i find it interesting that you can kill a netra this easily.
<4> a 5lb hammer will take out any piece of hardware.
<3> depends... GL taking out a copepr wire with that :D
<1> Figz, Would most commands be the same in Linux and OpenBSD?
<5> apple and oranges
<6> more like oranges and grapefruit ;)
<5> Wamty, but sure, there is the standard set: ls and stuff
<5> thank you spicy .. I was actually thinking grapes
<5> ;P
<5> I like oranges better
<4> Pineapples
<1> I mean like basic commands
<5> AC/DC should make a new song,... BSD!
<4> bah.. AC/DC is a dead band.
<4> They should stay in their graves.
<4> now Rob Zombie.. Now there is a singer for a the BSD theme song.
<3> Moruing: i like your taste :D
<4> I saw a very well done Lain Anime Music Video done to "Living Dead Girl"
<3> only saw the original video yet
<3> netsplit!
<7> hm
<1> Would most commands be the same in Linux and OpenBSD?
<8> some options are different
<4> POSIX is POSIX.
<8> and os specific components are different
<1> Mouring.. so basically, the same?
<4> If POSIX covers it then it should be the same. Otherwise theapplication in question is invalid.
<4> granted the pieces of GNU-ware that OpenBSD uses (like GCC and some of it's kin).. they would be the same of course.
<4> Then there are the limited things that are different (pfctl, etc).
<1> ok
<1> Was BSD inspired by linux at some point?
<1> or the contrary?
<6> BSD has been around since before linux
<6> iirc, linus was not even aware of BSD when he began writing linux, and - also, iirc - mused that if he did he probably wouldnt have started it.
<2> Torvalds set out to make a better Minix
<1> ummm
<1> so BSD wasnt inspired by linux
<2> No
<2> *BSD is a near-direct descendent of the original UNIX
<4> spicy, Linus already stated he more than likely would have worked on BSD had it been around in some public form.
<2> Linux was inspired my Minix and picked up UNIXness along the way
<1> Minix?
<2> http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html
<1> RndPkt you mean Linus ?
<2> GO read
<2> Minix is/was an OS
<2> Minix != Linux
<1> " Linux was inspired my Minix and picked up UNIXness along the way"
<1> you meant Linus right ?
<6> no
<2> Same difference at that point.
<1> ok
<2> Go read that chart
<2> Your questions of heridity will be answered.
<1> Well, Linux didnt pick up unix along the way
<2> I didn't say it did
<2> I said it picked up UNIXness
<1> "I set out to write a minimal UNIX clone, MINIX, and did it alone. The code was 100% free of AT&T's intellectual property. The full source code was published in 1987 as the appendix to a book, Operating Systems: Design and Implementation, which later went into a second edition co-authored with Al Woodhul"
<1> it was UNIXness from the start
<1> * I guess*
<1> the writer of minix says he set out to clone unix from the start
<1> and LInus started from that minix which is a unix clone from the start
<1> or am I wrong? please correct me
<9> Linus started off with the minix fs as well
<9> no Wamty, you are quite correct.
<9> Linus started off with minix, added a VM to it.
<9> it started off with the minix fs, which had a lot of limitations to it
<9> in fact, for a long time, linux would only boot from a minix fs
<9> err
<9> more correctly
<9> the root / fs had to be minix
<9> which was a limitation
<9> but people forget history
<1> so it didnt pick up unixness?
<1> as minix was always a unix clone and linux was on minix
<2> Linux was always a seperate OS
<2> But it was initially started with a lot of Minix code
<2> Plus you need to define what you mean by "UNIX"
<2> UNIX can be a way of doing things
<2> UNIX can be the operation and interface to the kernel
<2> UNIX can be the userspace tools
<1> Years later, I was teaching a course on operating systems and using John Lions' book on UNIX Version 6. When AT&T decided to forbid the teaching of the UNIX internals, I decided to write my own version of UNIX, free of all AT&T code and restrictions, so I could teach from it. My inspiration was not my time at Bell Labs, although the knowledge that one person could write a UNIX-like operating system (Ken Thompson wrote UNICS on a PDP-7) told me
<1> It clearly didnt pick up unixness along its way
<1> Linus also used MINIX as his development platform initially, but there was nothing wrong with that. He asked if I objected to that and I said no, I didn't, people were free to use it as they wished for noncommercial purposes. Later MINIX was released under the Berkeley license,
<4> The main reason why Linus ended up writing his own code base was because MINIX was under a restrictive publishing license.
<4> There was MINIX patch community, but you had to buy the book/minux license to have the core OS.
<1> but it didnt get 'unixness' along the way
<1> if you see what I mean
<4> erm? Depends on what you mean.. The kernel itself started off like a BSD/SysV kernel but devergered. The libc was original from a BSD Libc but was later migrated to the m***ive bastardized source called GNU Libc.
<4> While the UNIX community (commerical ones) were building X/Open/Posix standards.
<4> And since Linux looking like a cousin of UNIX it drew people who knew UNIX at userspace and kernel space and they started doing work on it.
<4> So I'm not sure what point of view you are coming from.
<4> spicy, So do you live in an old Opal mine?
<4> Or are you not near Coober Pedy. =-)
<10> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
<11> trying to overwrite first 10 bytes of a file with 10bytes from a different file, any quick solutions?
<11> using dd?
<0> yes, dd with the "notrunc" option
<11> gotcha, thanks
<0> dd if=foo of=bar bs=10 count=1 conv=notrunc
<12> sup Figzster
<0> not so very very much
<12> it's very cold out
<13> http://www.vanbard.com/forums/album_showpage.php?full=true&pic_id=6
<0> it's very wet here..
<0> if we don't get rain in the next six hours, it'll be the first day in a month without rain..
<12> damn
<12> wow what a cool handle
<12> not.
<14> mhmm. how should i grep out empty lines?
<12> search for a better pattern?
<14> mhmm. so far i did egrep -v ^\#
<14> for not commented out lines.
<12> search for a better pattern?
<14> any suggestions/hints? ;P
<12> don't know what you are looking for
<0> grep . file
<0> any line with any character will be printed
<0> if by empty you include "whitespace only", try: awk '$1' file
<14> thnx Figz
<0> (awk won't consider a string made up of nothing but spaces or tabs, say, as equalling anything in this context)
<0> . in regular expressions means "any character"
<12> <(/?)TAG1>
<0> so: grep . is going to match a line that contains at least one character, without regard to what character that is
<0> it's distinct from an expression like: "^.$", which would match lines with exactly one character
<0> or "^$", which matches lines with no characters
<0> I could have written your answer: grep -v '^$' file, and in fact this is the form most people come up with on first instinct
<0> results are the same, but it's more typing..
<8> grep . foo == grep -v ^$ foo
<8> add quotes to taste.
<0> spicy may or may not be around to claim it's not so, but ^ is actually a pipe operator in some old shells
<0> best to escape it on general principals
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