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<0> There are good charts on the web as well.
<1> ic
<1> Dianora, so bsd project don't get software engineered?
<1> projects*
<0> sure it does.
<1> from a coding point of view?
<1> because there are steps before like analysis/design/implementation/ etc
<2> i think the best way to find out is to try out linux and bsd side by side and base your own opinions
<2> maybe linux will work out better for you
<2> maybe you will create your own distro
<2> overnight
<2> heh
<1> can i create my own bsd distro?
<2> sure
<0> sure, but
<2> be sure and call it stevebsd
<0> everything is already with a bsd
<2> userland and kernel
<3> maintaining your own fork is a lot of work and takes more than a few people to keep up
<3> you also won't get love from the project you're forking
<1> what's userland?
<2> the programs and stuff
<2> besides the kernel
<1> ah
<1> hmm
<2> with linux the userland is all GNU
<2> with GNU license
<2> kernel is GPL or whatever
<2> i forget what all it entails but you have to share your changes with everyone else
<1> is it better to have userland and kernel combined?
<3> spush: definitely
<2> it's more convenient i would think
<3> spush: it's very convenient having access to source of both, you can do quick kernel api changes if you need so, also you don't need to go looking almost everywhere for userland source
<1> pbug, in that case.. would the user have higher probability of halting the kernel...
<3> no
<3> the api into the kernel has to be safe
<1> combined means they share the same memory?
<1> oh
<3> if it's not safe it better be confined to superusers that act responsible
<1> what do you mean by looking for userland source
<3> I personally found it pretty hard finding the source of linux userland commands
<1> ok
<3> and if that's hard.. how do you update manual pages and add/remove good/bad features
<1> i think i more need to read up on userland+kernel...
<2> i use everything
<2> i don't care anymore
<2> i love windows me
<2> microsoft is #1
<1> do you prefer running pcbsd instead of freebsd as desktop OS?
<3> I'm sure microsoft has some quality programmers
<2> hahah, did i tell you the story about this guy i know
<2> when i met him he was all tweaked out digging through dumpsters
<2> living with his mom
<2> now he's working at microsoft
<2> that doesn't mean much
<2> i mean i'm sure the guy is smart, and was just down on his luck
<2> like a lot of us around here after 9/11
<2> only places like san francisco and seattle had unix sys admins doing roofing and painting
<2> this whole roofing crew was up on the roof doing tearoff and talking about the good ole days
<2> salaries and benes
<2> bonuses and stocks ohh my
<2> playing half life on a ds3
<3> 9/11 is just a marker in time, the **** came down before that, when rich people pulled the money away from the working people who saw an opportunity to climb the ladder
<1> is it better for coders all over the internet to develop an OS or a famous company specialized in that domain with teams/coders cooperating together in real life to develop the OS?
<2> well you can speculate if the bubble would of burst without 9/11
<3> it may even be politics.. all the democrats pulled their money and re-invested it into google
<2> but from my view that's the pin that bust the bubble
<2> so many startups going ipo
<2> selling vaporware to shareholders
<2> it didn't seem to be ending any time soon
<2> and then kabooom
<2> it all collapsed in on itself
<1> any opinions?
<3> spush: in a multi-national community you may get ideas foreign to the way of thinking of people of a certain country
<2> larry ellinson dumped 900mil in stock in 2weeks before it happened
<2> very smart man
<3> obviously logic is a language to its self
<2> cisco zero'd their inventory
<3> however specialists may be blinded by their education, rules, regulations, guilds, politics..
<2> yeah i guess it was on it's way out
<2> the bubble was losing air
<2> but 9/11 i felt it
<2> a big wooosh
<2> i went from making 90-120k a year to eating top ramen and spamming my resume everyday
<2> playing hacky sack downtown
<2> scrounging for change to get beer
<1> ic
<2> i'm doing much better now, i at least have a few bux for beer
<1> :-o
<2> though now the big decision is beer or gas
<2> hrmm
<1> pbug, why the need for desktopbsd/pcbsd if freebsd fits good as a desktop OS?
<3> spush: afaik pcbsd found a niche in its installer which is X11 based
<3> this was supposed to make it "user friendly"
<4> liz, beer.. it doubles for both.
<1> pbug, but a good gui installer is not a good reason to switch OS
<3> yeah that's what I'm saying
<4> if you want a good GUI builder you move to Mac.
<1> Mac is a different hardware architecture than Intel.. right?
<4> Mac Intel is pretty much the same hardware.
<1> then what makes Mac better for graphics?
<3> hrmm
<4> who said it was? I just said they have a very nice GUI builder.
<3> spush: good luck with your research ;)
<1> hmm
<1> Mouring, because all the graphic designers nowadays work on Mac....etc
<1> Mouring, you're talking software wise.. right?
<1> I thought the system architecture has effects on graphics
<1> and it's the case for Mac..
<4> not really.. it's the fact apple sold to that crowd thus took care to ensure that the artists has all the toys they needed.
<5> Mouring: another one detective show. Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo. judging by first 3 eps subbed so far, seems quite ok.
<6> hawson?
<7> hey guys
<7> i'm trying to set up a zone file and i keep getting this error:
<7> May 14 18:38:35 aleph named[10147]: dns_master_load: /etc/bind/db.loug.pwn:11: unexpected end of lin
<7> +e
<7> or
<7> loading master file /etc/bind/db.192.168.1.0: unexpected end of input
<7> help, tips, cluebats, beatings and candybars would be much appreciated.
<8> look for unterminated " and (...
<7> :(
<8> what, you hoped someone would tell you what line it is on?
<7> nah, i'm just disappointed at my lamness.
<7> at/with, whatevah.
<8> so you found it already? :)
<7> well, bind *does* tlel mee what line it's on
<7> but there's no mismatched parenthesis
<8> the mistake might well be on an earlier line, error messages of this kind rarely show the precise line of error
<7> well, that ****s
<6> HAH!
<6> my disk is copied over and running
<6> now i just need to figure out the best way to copy the user drives
<7> YAY!
<7> i fixed a warning
<7> the "ignoring out of zone data"
<6> so cp works best or mv?
<7> monkey poo == t eh best
<6> if you do a mv of a path
<6> does it move the lnk file
<6> or try to actually move the data
<9> heh, like 4 wireless networks detected w/ laptop in apartment complex, all have basic default login/p***word to the gateways via http lol
<4> attached to 4 lawsuits for hacking.
<10> is it possible to message a user on unix
<10> someone on the same network
<10> ie: you see them in 'who'
<11> talk
<11> ym
<11> aim
<11> shutdown :)
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