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<0> haha
<1> OSX, Redhat, solaris 2.5.1 (soon to be dead), solaris 7 (one box left), and OpenBSD.. my only OSes left.
<0> why not install a binary for it?
<1> you can't believe how hard it is to fscking kill a solaris 2.5.1 box.
<0> FreeBSD has this nasty bug
<2> except that its C and Fortran compilers were extremely buggy and very forgiving
<3> ===> Registering installation for gnome2-2.12.3
<2> im talking about hp/ux 11
<3> the pkg_add was older
<0> this nasty bug, it's a lock/loop, something related to softupdates on multicpu boxes, it happens on S-ATA, SCSI card whichs interface the CAM driver, SCSI cards which go directly on the driver, it makes dumps useless/corrupt, it makes the system panic if fscking in any other than single-user mode (where softupdates arn't enabled), we are not the only ones having issues with it on our production servers, I have seen UPS and several other big companys compl
<3> good thing im on a POS single CPU ATA machine :D
<0> I don't experience the problem at home
<3> well, brb, i hope.. gonna switch over to gnome
<0> and some production servers don't have the problem and are running happily
<0> they are mostly 4.x/early 5.x'es
<4> there have been a lot of softupdates/VFS/snapshots locking fixes in HEAD
<4> and many of them haev already been backported to 6.1 (not all of them though)
<3> this is 5.4 .. oh yeah, i builtworld the other day.. ill finish that while im at it
<3> brb i hope =)
<4> we're going to build 6.1-BETA4 once the last VFS-relatex fixes are in, you should give it a try
<0> we bought a new IBM e-server with serveraid (byp***es CAM), to try and solve it
<0> so we have the old Intel/Adaptec server setup to play with
<0> mux: when do you think that will be?
<0> I will definetly give that a try
<4> in a few days
<0> nice :)
<5> oh i builtworld the other day but havent installed world
<5> =\
<4> it looks pretty solid now, Kris has been successfully runnnig the snapshot stress test for a night on a 14-CPU box
<5> damn 14 procs
<5> what does that box do?
<0> thanks for the info, I've been sortof stressed about the issue, and the boss has runned FreeBSD for 10yrs in the company, he's never been dissapointed, don't want to dissapoint him now :)
<4> it builds packages mostly, I think
<5> oh
<0> kris@obsec?
<4> yes, kris kennaway
<0> kool :)
<5> my little via server box at home is still on 5.3-R
<4> ewww, 5.3-R
<0> I have 3 machines at home happly running freebsd-6 :)
<4> this gmirror synchronisation takes ages
<0> I really noticed improvements in I/O, especially hardisk access (ATA-100 setups)
<5> Mux, as i said, world has been built on 6 but havent recompiled the kernel nor install world
<4> but I feel less nervous now.
<5> waiting till cl***es finish before I do, though i am thinking about hosing the box completely and starting all over.
<5> the box went from 4.x to 5.21 then 5.3
<5> heh
<3> woot
<5> wb
<4> the system I'm running used to be a 4.0
<4> it's the same since that time, but it has changed home several times with dump | restore :D
<5> I finialy go the partitons and everything the way i wanted i thought.
<0> mux: what happened to thoose google summer of code FreeBSD approvements, do you know?
<4> it's running 7.0 now
<4> dannyb: what particular SoC project?
<5> is their a way to grow a partition in fbsd?
<0> mux: the network filesystem thingie
<4> there's growfs but I don't remember if it still works with UFS2 :-)
<4> dannyb: doesn't ring a bell
<5> my '/home ufs, local, soft-updates' is like 9 gigs and i am only using 2 gigs of it so i want to move some of the space to my /storage partition.
<0> hmm, there was some really interesting projects
<6> laptop, grow yes.. shrink no
<5> Foo.
<6> and even when you grow, you have a suboptimal inode layout (though in practice this shouldn't hurt much)
<5> ok, how can i shrink?
<6> you have to rebuild
<6> since you say /home uses 2GB, you'd have to dump /home and store the 2GB somewhere
<6> then destroy /home and recreate it at 3GB, say
<5> ah.
<6> then restore the 2GB
<6> unfortunately, I ***umed that /storage was contiguous with /home.. if it's not, again you've got problems
<5> is there any filesystems i can put in place that would allow me to grow/shrink?
<5> what do you mean contiguous..
<6> most people just symlink a few big files/dirs and make a note to change the partition layout the next time the drive's updated :P
<6> means "next to each other"
<5> oh, nah
<5> well yeah
<5> partition ad0s1g and ad0s1h
<6> so it's probably possible.. still a bother, and not a given to be worth the effort
<5> yeah when i can easly spend a weekend and redo the box
<6> also, it's not a given that device names that are next to each other actually begin where the other ends on the drive.. depends how the label is laid out
<7> does freebsd have real LVM yet?
<4> depends what you mean by real LVM
<7> shrinking filesystems is hard but almost every os lets you grow filesystems if you have lvm or an array that can extend luns
<4> we have a lot of handy geom cl***es to do mirroring, stripping, RAID-3, etc ec
<2> could you guys tell me whats wrong with this ("sed -n '$jp' ls_mpg.txt && $ok == 0") ? please
<4> you can concat stuff too
<4> and there's vinum
<0> mux: 14cpus, nice :) does it run with ccdist ccache?
<4> or gvinum :-)
<4> dannyb: no idea, I don't admin that box :)
<5> Figz, they where when i set them up.
<0> gvinum got totally raped after 5.x/GEOM
<4> raped?
<1> jaz, is $jp used as a variable?
<0> I remember upgrading from vinum to gvinum and loosing 450GB worth of RAID-5 data
<2> yes
<1> then you can't use ''
<1> '' blocks expanding of variables.
<1> use ""
<4> dannyb: yeah, it's supposed ot work now though
<5> So how would go bout setting a dynamic layout of a disk so that I can grow a partition once it gets to 'fat'
<2> Alright sir, thank you
<4> pentane# gmirror status
<4> Name Status Components
<4> mirror/data DEGRADED ad0
<4> ad1 (98%)
<4> go go go!
<0> mux: gvinum dosn't/didn't support raid5 rebuilds, and it/or my hacked ata-driver to support my ata/pci card made it corrupt
<4> dannyb: as I said, RAID-5 is supposed to work in gvinum now
<0> oh, nice
<4> it's true it wasn't working at all at some point
<0> It was running so stable in 4-branch :) I'll try it at home tomorrow
<5> i had client (windows based) that wanted to buy 4 sata 250GB HD and no raid card for their server and install everything
<7> wait so freebsd has software raid but no logical volume manager ? or am i missing something
<0> mux: I should have read more about GEOM/5.x before upgrading, I only blame myself, but it was not nice to loose 450GB 'important stuff'
<5> spent 2 hours with them last night trying to explain that they want their server in atleast raid 5
<4> dannyb: I certainly understand that :)
<0> So I'm kinda afraid of trusting anything else than hardware-raid and backup backup backup, for my precious stuff :)
<5> yeah same here.
<5> finialy got them to look at a highpoint sata raid card
<8> thats why you mirror and not use raid5
<0> I'm using manual XOR here (I copy stuff arround on the computers)
<5> 200 bucks for it,
<0> but I'm drooing at a 12-port s-ata card
<5> they didnt want to speend the 600 for the adaptec or 3ware
<0> wettoast: true
<8> gmirror works very nicely in freebsd, and you can mirror on root
<7> i fear software raid for anything but concats
<7> but if you have real raid hardware it tends to work better
<5> concats?
<8> you only need hw raid if youre doing something like raid 5
<8> striping and mirroring is simple...
<0> LaptopDan: concats are one large storace-area spread over several disks
<2> Mouring.. are you only the prince of panthers? or you've got some other titles too?
<2> golden monkeys maybe? :)
<1> monkeys are battosai stuff.. I don't deal with them.
<2> whats the title then?
<2> hehe
<1> "He who deals with those evil UNIX boxes."
<2> hehehe
<7> wetoast: no i want it to seporate the function from the host
<2> :)
<7> i trust my 5 9+ raid boxes more then any software raid
<7> plus having snap shoting, the ability to migrate spindles, lun expanstion that is os independant etc... is worth it
<7> and software raid on boot devices is usualy more trouble then it's worth
<9> i do mirroring with solstice disksuite on boot devices and it seems to work fine
<1> jza, why does it matter what my titles are?
<7> i haven't touched dissuite in about 9 7 years now
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