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<0> that is portable
<1> hmm
<0> the second since epoch
<2> epoch time kicks ***
<2> as much as a time notation can I suppose
<0> wouldnt -v -1H do what you need anyways?
<0> so that would adjust the current time to -1 hour
<0> not set it, just display it
<3> Figz: I worked out the math: Jupiter is about 10 times as "wide" (visibly) as Mars right now.
<3> not accounting for how "full" the image is, but only based on distances.
<0> did you even read the man page for date?
<3> .00056 deg for Mars
<3> .0057 deg for Jupiter
<3> wettoast: yeah. It didn't help me meet chicks either. :-(
<0> hrm?
<3> I'm answering your question. :)
<4> hehe witty
<0> sorry, which question?
<3> 12:20 < wettoast> did you even read the man page for date?
<0> ahh
<0> heh, got it :P
<5> a wet dog walked past the ap :(
<5> got disconnected
<6> well my boss went ballistic about this freebsd issue and then we talked for a while and i convinced him that we should migrate as many machines as possible to openbsd
<3> what happened?
<6> i'm having problems with one of the sparcs though - we have an a1000 and i think solaris is the only os that has drivers for it
<6> they totally broke quotas in 6.0
<3> "totally"?
<6> and we were looking at release schedules and decided that there's too much time investment required to keep freebsd running
<6> yes
<6> as in the quota database gets corrupted
<6> rending the quota system useless
<3> oops
<6> i'm just doing user quotas
<3> no fix?
<6> yes
<6> there's a fix
<6> but it requires upgrading the os (again)
<3> heh
<3> Linux quotas are nice and stable. :)
<6> and all the freebsd folks ever tell me is to cvsup on a regular basis
<6> the group quota stuff was all stubs for the longest time
<6> i don't hold it against an os to not support them properly, although there are occasions where they would be nice
<6> but user quotas should never, ever break
<6> anyway, i'm trying to figure out what, if anything, we can do about the machine that's 2500 miles away
<3> sounds like a trip is in order. :)
<6> wisconsin is not where i want to go
<3> I'm not far, nor is Mouring. :>)
<6> i'm doing a freebsd upgrade right now
<6> hopefully that will fix the problem
<3> what do the boxes do (if you don't mind me asking)?
<6> general isp stuff
<6> the one in wisconsin is currently a backup server and nameserver but we're going to start hosting a new email product on it (starting yesterday supposedly, until i discoverd that quotas were totally broken)
<6> the local machines do dns, web, radius, email, etc.
<6> the a1000 is going to be a fileserver
<6> the sparc with the a1000, that is
<6> and i'm ok with solaris on that
<3> Sol10 is nice (but still doens't support group quota)
<6> i'll probably put solaris 9 on it
<6> which is also ok
<6> our needs are going to be simple on that machine
<3> if you do use Solaris 10, I wrote a nice program for setting quotas from the CLI
<6> edquota doesn't work?
<3> not from scripts
<3> (not easily, at least)
<6> why not?
<6> it works fine from scripts on every other os i've used
<3> you have to play tricks with EDITOR, and then it works, which seems...inelegant...to me
<3> anyhow, this program takes a user, a mount point, and 4 quota limits (block/files, hard/soft) and set it.
<6> i mostly do for i in `cat users`;do edquota -p protousr $i;done
<3> yeah, you can do that if if you have fairly simple needs.
<6> if i need to script interesting other stuff i set EDITOR to ed and then run a simple ed script
<3> we needed something much more complicated
<3> this was, believe it or not, easier. :)
<0> roycroft: just out of curiousty, what email system requires quotas?
<6> our local policy requires quotas, wettoast
<6> i suppose you're going to tell me our policy is wrong now
<0> i mean, most imap backends do quotas..
<0> without the need for system quotas
<6> imap is not a mda
<3> wettoast: I think that he means that their security policies require quotas, regardless of email quotas
<0> yes, i understand
<6> but if you're going to argue that i should ignore that fact that freebsd broke one of the most fundamental services and adjust our business model to compensate for it then you're even more off the deep end than i thought
<3> Windows!
<3> :-p
<0> no, im pissed off about the current quota and snapshot deadlocks in fbsd 6.x, but that shouldnt affect you..
<0> as i have some applications that need quotas (plesk)
<0> and yes, i think is a stupid policy to blindly force quotas on every system. Not everything needs or will even have any benefit from quotas..
<0> but whatever, try the update, i havent seen anyone complain about corrupted quota databases on the lists
<6> who blindly forces quotas on every system?
<6> i have a machine where i absolutely need them
<7> reservations are much better than quotas
<6> that does not mean that i "blindly force" them on every machine
<0> you said it was a policy
<6> yes, for this product
<0> i see
<0> and your fs is ok? no hard reboots or anything? i dont see why a file would be getting corrupted...
<6> it's not as though it's scrambled
<0> so what exactly happens then?
<6> what happend was that every other user would have the same # of blocks reported as the previous user and not their actual usage
<6> so if user 1001 had 50 blocks in use and 1002 had 3 blocks in use both would be reported as having 50 blocks in use
<6> 1003 would have 100 blocks in use and 1004 would have 9 blocks in use and both would report 100 blocks
<3> roycroft: so it's a reporting bug?
<3> or is the quota actually wrong?
<6> it's actually wrong
<6> because user 1004 would be overquota if their quota was 50 blocks even though they really had 9 blocks in use
<0> thats weird..
<6> yes
<6> my boss does NOT want to have to pay for someone in wisconsin to do hands-on but he agrees with me that we need to get up to 6.1
<6> and if the upgrade has any issues we'll pay the money
<6> he's pretty pissed about the situation
<6> i had to remind him that he's the one who pushed to use freebsd after bsd/os was no longer an option
<0> and you have these in /etc/rc.conf?
<0> enable_quotas="YES"
<0> check_quotas="YES"
<5> haha
<6> wettoast: i've probably been doing quotas on bsd systems since before you were born
<6> i know how to enable them properly
<5> the pointy finger
<6> and when i turn off quotas and rebuild the database it's correct for a while
<0> ok there, relax old timer
<6> i'm not going to run quotaoff;quotacheck -a;quotaon from cron every day
<0> your upgarde should go wihout problems btw, i just updated a similar system to releng_6
<6> i'm about to reboot after going to 6.0-stable
<0> you mean 6-stable?
<6> unfortunately i don't have the luxury of several days to play with it to see if it works better or not
<6> i may just go to 6.1 right away, even though i don't like the idea
<0> just remember the 3 steps, make installworld, make installkernel, mergemaster
<0> ok roy, there i sno such thing as 6.0-stable
<6> i know you think i'm a total moron but i've been working with freebsd for over a decade
<6> i don't need you to tell me how to do an os upgrade
<0> im not saying youre a moron, just remind you, ots of people forget to run mergemaster
<6> i'm not lots of people i guess
<6> mergemaster is one of the few features of freebsd that i actually like
<6> it works pretty darn well
<0> and in a decade you havent figured out that there is no 6.0-stable?
<8> Hello. What are FreeBSD's startup scripts please?
<6> the problem, though, is that for major os upgrades freebsd really wants to come up single-user right after the kernel install and then a run of mergemaster -p
<6> and if you try to do it multi-user you get hosed sometimes
<6> that's where it's tough on remote installs
<9> dmarki: rc(8)
<8> ty
<0> I always do it in multi user. I just make sure that any servers and services i dont need are stopped before hand
<0> what you really need to worry about with major upgrades is library changes
<0> gotta make sure to recompile all ports, and delete old libs/files ( make check-old in /usr/src, etc)
<8> dhartemei: are they the same as obsd?
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