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<0> two or four?
<1> up to $20 worth :)
<0> got it.
<1> I was just told we're supposed to be at some band at 10
<1> I'll give you a call this evening regardless and we'll see if we can hookup
<1> If you can get some cheese curds ala http://www.montrealpoutine.com/recipes.html I'll buy some off you as well :)
<1> man, I need to get to Montreal one of these days
<1> okay, have a safe trip
<0> haha
<0> i'm not bringing you cheese curds ;)
<0> but yeah, i'll get some brews for you
<0> and whatever, my schedule is flexible
<0> ok, seriously, lady is getting mad
<0> i'm out!
<0> call later. byeeeeeee
<1> sweet
<1> cya!
<2> Just bought a BFG 7800GT OC for $319 from bestbuy, had em on sale, hope is good card, PCI-E
<3> BFG owns
<3> lifetime warranty
<3> I have a bFG6800oc
<3> modded w/ nv silencer though ;)
<2> I'm putting it on a Gateway 825 GM MEdia Center 2005 PC
<2> taking out the x300 that came /w it
<2> its sata 2
<2> and 1gig ram
<2> fast system
<4> you bought a big ****ing gun?
<2> hope it plays quake4 on linux well
<2> q4 have a linux port?
<3> good question, not that I know of
<2> war--
<2> this is my pc, that im putting the card in
<2> http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/4364/4364sp3.shtml
<3> hmm
<3> I hope the PSU is at least 500-550w if I were you.
<2> eh?
<3> the card you bought is one of the most power consuming cards on the market
<3> if you play any games and your box crashes, or shuts off you may need to upgrade your power supply, thats all
<2> hmmm
<2> well brb, installing it
<5> darned afghanis not sporting.. attacking officer from behind with an axe
<6> they hacked an officer?
<5> yea.. snuck up on him while he was in a sit down with village elders
<7> http://bam.st/4Eq -- eBay: Contraves Cinetheodolite Missile Tracking Telescope (item 7595691368 end time Mar-11-06 09:20:00 PST)
<6> I'd like to hack a goat
<6> can
<6> not get any goat here in .de
<6> forsaken place
<8> figzy: you live in vancouver...maybe you can convince the guy that has my old domain daemonium.com to give it up to me again...
<8> I do miss it
<8> I miss the fun that goes along with it
<8> saboo: hi are you from germany?
<9> no
<9> jan
<9> i m not from
<9> germany
<9> r u????
<8> where ya from?
<9> pakistan
<8> ahh
<9> n u
<9> yyyyy
<9> ahh
<8> I'm from kashmir
<9> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
<9> relyyyyyyyyyyy
<9> u know
<9> i love kashmiriiiiiii
<9> n wuts ur name
<8> ya man us the ****s man
<9> y
<9> ****s
<8> we are the kings of the indus... indus!
<9> dont use this type of words
<9> so
<9> u r hindu
<8> holy cow.. I gotta go man.. nice tawking.. gotta get me godly shoes and step into the sun!
<9> hi
<9> salam
<10> i have vnc-http-1 5801 open and vnc-1 5901 open and X11:1 6001 open, -
<10> How do I end those! I unplugged my machine in fear
<9> wut
<9> i dont gaet u
<9> well
<10> i did an nmap scan and saw that those were open after users said i was logged on thrice
<9> so
<10> I just want to end those
<10> I can't even get my vnc to work, yet it's open 3 times
<11> You have X working.. and you have VNC server running.
<12> hah
<10> Yeah but I don't so how do I end those ;_;
<10> I input a command from a gentoo-wiki HOWTO for tightvnc, and I logged into X but fluxbox didn't show up :(
<10> and it didn't even work with ssh -
<13> Is there a document discussing when it's the appropriate time for a library fork?
<14> Miss Manners' Book of Table Etiquette?
<13> Seriously.
<14> seriously irresistable.
<13> There's a large and well supported library which I believe would fundamentally benefit from a radical change in direction. I am willing to do the work, but I'm not confident it's an appropriate thing to do. I'm not well versed in OSS etiquette, so I'd like to find out whether it's ethical for me to do this, before i actually do it.
<15> i'd worry less about "etiquette" and more about just talking to the leads of whatever you want to fork
<13> cstone: is it good enough to ask for the blessing of the people at the top of the tree?
<15> you could start there -- have you offered to coordinate/been rejected already?
<13> i haven't said word one to anyone yet.
<13> that's why i'm now asking how to go about this.
<15> probably the best way is to start with emailing and say "hey, i'd like to do <x> -- what do you guys think?"
<13> well the reason i'm reluctant to do that is that i'm worried they're the sort of people who'd reject a good thing just because it used c++
<15> well you should probably find out for sure, either way
<15> and the most direct way is to ask
<13> a lot of forks just start because of fights, though, right? so even if they say no, can i do it ethically?
<13> 'cause alexandrescu isn't well read, much less well used, and very few people grasp how powerful those policies and typelists actually are
<13> and i worry that nobody's going to see just how big a difference it'll make until it's done
<13> but then i also worry that just showing up with a version that was c++ and significantly better / faster / smaller / easier to use might tear the community apart because of zealots who won't switch because it's c++ and the rare people who live on platforms with no c++ compiler
<15> how are you going to know how they feel unless you ask
<15> it really depends on what your goals are here
<15> if you just want to write something, go at it
<15> if you want to work with the existing community and get other people working on it, it's going to be a lot easier to start now
<15> also you might find out why things are done the way they are now
<15> instead of just hypothesizing
<13> i know why they're done the way they are now. i read the mailing list the whole six years back. there's an architecture document.
<13> i just think i see a better way, and i'm not clear on whether it's okay for me to just convert their codebase and then hand them the results, or what.
<15> excellent, so you have a good body of work to start from when making your case
<13> dude
<13> i'm asking a specific question here
<13> it's yes or no
<13> may i or may i not just do the work without asking
<15> sure. who's stopping you?
<13> well for all i know, it's rude
<13> i'm asking if it's okay, not if it's possible :(
<15> "is it okay" is not a simple yes-or-no question
<13> yes, it is
<13> "it's perfectly fine" "no, don't do that" "people disagree"
<13> very simple answers
<15> if those are my choices, the answer is "people disagree", because the context is always going to play a role
<15> and without finding out more information it's impossible for me (or you, it sounds like) to come to a decision you'll be comfortable with
<0> woah, i haven't been home since christmas :O
<15> this is why i'm suggesting that you gather that information, starting with approaching these people and talking
<15> it sounds like you just want to write some code, which is great: go do it
<15> seriously
<15> but don't expect existing users/developers to flock to your new world without at least some level of engagement and dialogue, at the very least on the scale of upgrade paths, etc
<15> saying "i'm afraid to ask because there might be zealots" doesn't sound very open, either
<13> yeah, i don't care if people start using mine, i'm gonna use it
<15> cool
<13> i just want to make sure i'm not doing something evil
<15> so you don't need to ask
<13> okay
<13> that's what i needed to know
<13> thank you
<13> so to be clear: i'm not being evil to just completely rewrite someone else's library?
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