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<0> to say nothing that the patents take 4 to 5 years to be granted, and technology has progressed a lot of times to use ideas or methods being patented and most don't realize they are following the same steps.
<1> not so... it's all streamlined now.. patent officials may not even be experts in what they're granting patents on
<0> <shrug> The "Patent interactive websites" took over 6 years to be granted.
<1> if patents are taking 5 years, it's because companies are maintaining provisional acceptance in the hope of stringing out the time that the patent can be used as a weapon
<2> patents in Canada only take 2 years to be "approved", but that means nothing, really
<0> So companies have had 6 to 7 years to build technology that may now find themselves stuck paying something they may never have known about.
<1> I'm generally of the mind that the whole concept should be tossed. it's more destructive than constructive now.
<3> Actually the USPTO backlog is something ~ 2-3 years
<2> it is more destructive Figz
<1> the idea of the little guy making a mint because he came up with a novel idea and was protected by a patent is now largely a myth
<3> Actually had a friend patent something a few years ago
<3> Took forever
<2> I have a legitimate idea myself I can't patent as I am but a humble person and not an enterprise.
<2> one that would better society.
<2> I have the capital to get it to market, but not that capital to field issues raised by companies challenging me
<2> okay it would make me rich sooner than better society, but still!
<3> Seems like you're only hurting yourself by not trying
<1> well, I told you what to do about that.. go sell the idea to some company and let *them* deal with the patent..
<4> or take on investment $ yourself
<2> it'd take 15k by my estimates, to have the product developed and sold in N. America.. that's significant for the gable of any single company in the US or Canada challenging my $1k I had to pay for patent fees
<4> i promise you're not the only one to have faced this problem
<0> I see that more and more.. Those who have applied for stuff 4 to 5 years ago that could be iffy in attempting to sue and win.. Are just selling it to patent houses for a good chunk of change.. if not a percentage of any profits.
<2> Figz: my ego prevents me from allow some company to take my idea.. at least currently.
<2> allowing
<3> Setup whatever the equivalent of an LLC is in Canada, find some silent investors and get some good insurance
<2> I'd rather no one got credit for my idea than the simple fact some company had the money to take on an individual who had the idea
<4> get smart investors, because they will research potential IP challenges for you
<2> I know good IP lawyers, just don't have the funds to hire the
<2> m
<0> yashy, hold on to it long enough you'll find someone else has invented it.
<0> I've seen a few things in the last two years that friends and I had joked about making back in 1992..
<2> Mouring: It's happened to me before. I'm just an ideas kinda person..
<2> as I'm sure most people in this channel are
<4> then offer to take *them* on as investors; exchange legal services for a stake
<2> not a bad idea
<2> vs their paying customers, not sure how important I'll be
<0> cstone, done that a few times.. been screwed a few times, but I kinda knew the person would falter in implementation phase. Or in one case attempt to jump and expand the idea too fast.
<2> but not a bd idea.. should talk to them
<4> mouring: i wouldn't recommend it either really
<4> better to have someone pay up front for due diligence, as part of the investment
<4> it's a lot easier to quantify
<0> In both cases I invested no money.. And in terms of time it wasn't a waste because it was on a path that I was already wandering down. And oddly I always ended up with the "resulting technology" tidbits.
<0> none of it worth much.. but still even if it gained me nothing in terms of money. It allowed me to explore and learn.
<0> Note in all cases I was called in as an "expert".. not calling in others =-)
<0> hmm.. thinking back.. I met most of these folks in bars.
<0> No wonder why I don't like bars anymore.
<2> I was just called urgently to make jell-o shooters
<2> important Friday night events..
<0> Yashy, going to worship the god Backus?
<2> worship is a strong word
<0> pay homage then..
<2> haven't heard it used other than descriptions of my physical characteristics
<1> anyone know a polish to english url translation service?
<0> http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Polish&to=English ?
<0> No clue the quality.. I've always used google.. but I don't think google translor supports Polish
<1> I ***umed that site was spam..
<1> I know google/babelfish's russian translation really ****s.. but found alternatives more easily than for polish.
<0> Sorry should be tranexp.com
<5> Figz: if its short, i can transale it for you, i read/speak polish.
<1> it's actually pretty long.. just a camera review (seems they're being distributed in eastern europe first)
<1> last one I saw was in slovakia..
<6> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0
<1> don't you need ^As around that?
<4> nope. but it does need to not be the first thing after a :, it seems
<4> so he screwed it up
<4> '<4> klsafdjklfs DCC SEND "foo" 0 0 0'
<4> ^^ worked earlier
<4> but DCC at the start of the privmsg didn't
<1> huh.. what is it?
<4> it's really bad brokenness in some crappy app-specific nat plugins built into (at least) some netgear routers
<1> ahh
<4> at least the wgr614, someone else said rp114
<7> also wrt54g
<7> certain versions
<1> I got put through several levels of hell trying to debug a problem getting certain kinds of traffic through a netgear vpn.
<1> Turns out the boxes keep state on tcp, and send a RST to any connection that appears idle for 12 minutes.
<4> the best part is that there is absolutely no need for it to do anything on dcc requests from other people
<1> Of course, only one side sees this RST.. so I had to put a hub between the device and the netgear to see it..
<1> On the other hand, their tech support (in india) doesn't use made up western names and is very friendly.
<4> heh
<1> But their developers (probably also in india) haven't gotten around to fixing the problem yet..
<4> sprint's uses made-up names
<4> luckily my account is listed as a business account
<4> so my *2 calls go to people i can understand who are nice and can get things done
<4> and not the general-purpose support pool
<1> wonder how bad it can get..
<5> hrm, im surprised... this pentium d 920 (dual core, 2.8ghz) is actually quite speedyunder freebsd
<5> i guess the p4 has improved somewhat since the original one...
<8> 'lo
<9> oi
<10> what is it with the opensource security community these days? sourcefire got bought, nessus turned commercial, metasploit is struggling with licensing issues ...
<10> is there something going on im not aware of?
<10> heh
<11> nothing out of the ordinary chaos as usual
<11> if you traded a cow for a goat, was it a good deal you think?
<11> I guess that's not really relevant here :) continue on..
<12> GOOD MORNING FELLOW IRC ADDICTS
<12> GLARING BRIGHT IRC YELLING TEXT
<12> ohhhhh yes, eating a bacon/egg/cheese on cinamon/raisin bagel, large coffee, while you all starve to death, to lazy to get up and get food :)
<1> also makes a decadent grilled cheese..
<13> is it wrong to ***ume that you have maddening insight into openbsd's pf inner workings? i.e. the purpose of the pfctl_get_pool() function of pfctl
<13> dhartmei seems to have slept for three days
<14> yashy
<14> wake up
<15> oh yay
<15> yet another irc funnie
<15> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0
<14> yahsee
<16> kneer0w
<14> er .. yashee even
<16> you here?
<15> = crash certain netgear/linksys boxes
<14> i'm going to be in ottawa in a few hours
<15> :P
<16> cool, when?
<14> i'm going to go to pub italia and meet a few friends later on
<14> around .. say .. 11ish
<16> I have a gala to go to and then dinner reservations, but after that..
<14> if you've got a group of friends or whatever, you should go
<16> okay cool, maybe stop by after dinner
<14> excellent
<14> do that
<14> my cell
<16> it'll just be SWMBO and me after dinner
<14> cool
<14> ok, i'm going out for dinner with miss lady too
<14> so we can like, hang for a drink or something
<14> i've got to meet up with a few people later later
<16> okay that would be cool
<14> my cell
<14> (still trying to find number)
<14> oh
<14> call me!
<16> okay got it
<14> ok, i'm out to ottawa now
<14> l8r
<16> will bring with me
<16> cool, have a safe trip
<14> perfect
<16> wait
<16> bring me some QC beers :)
<14> hah, i can if you want!
<16> if you stop by a depenneur
<14> serious? dieu du ciel and crap like that?
<16> that would be sweet..
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