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<0> quaal: did you restart firefox?
<1> yea i just did
<1> trying to check if the java is in it
<1> and it just crashed
<1> beautiful
<1> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_08-b03
<1> yayy
<2> congratulations
<1> thank you.
<3> :)
<2> I've just updated to version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4)
<4> how is it mellar ?
<4> anything new?
<2> nah. pretty much the same as the old one I used
<3> too bad Xfce isn't mature enough yet
<2> LiraNuna: xfce is great. does what I need it for
<3> Mellar, i didn't say it's bad
<2> and I prefer Thunar :D
<2> actually, I seldom use it, but I like it better then Nautilus
<3> i prefer fluxbox :)
<2> ok
<3> =D
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<5> oh ****!
<5> i have no idea what that was about
<2> torn: rtfm
<6> nice =)
<3> ...?
<5> rofl, im so sorry, i copied/pasted in another chan, and it spazzed in like 4 chans like that
<5> :/
<4> LiraNuna you use Fluxbox?
<3> yeah
<4> so you use Fluxbuntu
<4> :P
<3> hehe
<1> hmm
<1> forgot to find out how i log out of X
<1> and log back in
<1> it automatically goes to X on boot
<7> uhhh
<7> i always killall X && killall gdm
<7> depending on your display manager...
<1> hmm
<1> so then it takes me to terminal and i can jsut startx
<3> sudo gdm is better then just startx
<1> ah
<1> ctrl-alt-backspace does the trick
<3> ctrl-alt-backspace is restart x
<1> right
<1> thats all i needed to do
<3> i see
<4> or just type init 3 and it'll go into full console mode...
<1> how do i get back
<3> sudo gdm
<1> wait doesnt like alt-tab-F1 change from screen
<4> startx
<1> to screen
<1> ah ctrl-alt-F*
<4> yeah you get a different tty
<0> alt_F1 to alt_F6 are usually ***igned to getty's in the /etc/inittab file so alt_F7 usually takes ya to X display
<0> and killall X and killall gdm is incorrect method to restart X
<1> init 3 doesnt do jack
<1> awol what is the correct method
<0> telinit 3 is usually how to change run levels in other distro's..... but not for ubuntu
<0> quaal: correct method is to use gnome tools to logout..... go to menu's System -> Quit
<1> oh
<1> i thought that was going to take me to the GDM login screen
<1> does that in effect restart X
<0> quaal: i personally use fvwm because i can restart X anytime i like as often as i like without having to logout
<2> quaal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<0> quaal: the login screen means ya just restarted X.... at every login/logout ya restart X at least twice
<1> ok
<1> got ya
<0> Mellar: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart to answer his question correctly
<1> i wish i could put a /etc/init.d/gdm stop in the logout menu
<2> ctrl+alt+backspace
<8> is ubuntu live the same as ubuntu installed?
<0> quaal: gdm stop stops X and takes ya to console
<2> actually, /etc/init.d/gdm restart wont restart X if you type it in X awol
<1> awol: right
<0> Rukus: yeah mostly
<8> whats not?
<0> Mellar: well i dont use gdm myself
<0> Rukus: the cd is slower than when its installed
<8> other than that?
<8> it behaves the same?
<0> Rukus: yeah mostly
<2> gdm, xdm, kdm what ever. it's pretty much the same
<8> do i need a paging file on my hard drive?
<2> Rukus: strongly recommended
<8> hmm
<0> Mellar: i dont use any dm actually
<2> Rukus: but a paging partition would be better ;)
<8> becaus i was going to install ubuntu as an image file on my hard drive and use an NT loader to run and use it for now, instead or installing it or running it from CD-ro m
<8> i meant a paging partition. lol
<2> paging file is nice if you need a bigger paging partition
<8> what are my benefits of using the paging partition?
<2> slow extra memory ;)
<8> lol
<8> i got 512 on this laptop
<8> should be enough ram for a live run of ubuntu
<1> rukus: run the live cd
<2> I got 1024MB Swap and 500MB Swap
<1> if you like it, install it.
<2> 1024MB RAM off course
<8> how much space should i leave for an install besides all of it? because i am in the process of buying an extra hard drive to back up my 60gb music, or i have nowhere to put it, but on DVD's and i am not looking forward to it
<2> 512MB RAM isn't much
<8> i just want to start using ubuntu right now
<8> thats why i was going to run ubuntu live off an image on my hard drive
<2> depends what you are going to install, how you are going to use your system
<1> i'm currently adding a custom modeline to my xorg.conf so i can set screenres to 1280x1024
<2> 1GB /, 2GB /var, 2GB /tmp 5GB /usr and a 500MB swap I would recommend
<1> my horizontalsync is 24-80 and vertrefresh is 56-76
<1> how do i know which number to use
<1> or just pick one
<2> that's 9,5GB
<8> hmmm so i could get away wit hfreeing 10gb
<8> with*
<2> quaal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<1> hmmm
<0> Rukus: you could but after awhile that'll soon be too small.....
<0> quaal: lcd?
<1> mellar does it go to the correct video driver automatically ?
<1> awol yes its an lcd
<2> quaal: if it doesn't, then choose the correct one
<0> quaal: then those rates are meaningless...
<8> awol, i figure if i have to leave my music collection in NTFS format, i can still access it, and that would be fine by me.
<8> until i get my new hard drive for my other computer
<8> i have two comps
<0> Rukus: ntfs read is ok np's.... just dont expect to write to ntfs without probs
<8> this laptop (where ubuntu is going) and my game machine
<2> Rukus: 9,5GB for the system, but you need space for /home as well. that is where you store your private documents and stuff like that
<8> ah i see
<1> awol: what do you mean ?
<0> quaal: rtfm
<1> mellar: it automatically went to vesa
<1> i'm not sure which is the correct one
<8> ok well
<2> quaal: sudo lspci
<1> awol i was on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=454217 when i came asking about the modeline.
<2> that command should find your monitor card
<0> quaal: use medium option for configging monitor in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<8> maybe i will wait to actually install ubuntu until i get that extra hard drive, and for now, i will jsut run a live ubuntuy image.
<8> so i start getting used to it
<0> quaal: lcd's dont use refresh rates like crt's
<1> awol: i got the settings from a site with hundreds of monitors' specs
<1> didnt make them up
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