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<0> cold
<1> it gets cold in au?
<0> well, it's all relative
<0> our winter is probably nothing for a new yorker
<1> haha
<1> yeah
<0> but since we're used to hot waether it still ****s
<2> hotw1ngs, china is not a tiger. china is a dragon
<0> sydney prolly gets no lower than 50 degrees in winter
<1> well more power to china
<1> i like chinese food
<0> with rare exceptions
<0> but you get spoiled
<1> .au is growing too
<0> not very rapidly at the moment
<0> we're doing something like 3%
<0> the resouces sector is scoring goals
<1> gdp is relative too
<0> but the rest is fairly anaemic
<2> nixon created this
<0> what do you mean relative?
<2> nixon made china into what it is today
<1> well lets do a quick quiz
<1> we know what gdp is
<1> gross domestic product
<1> can u name the compoents of gdp?
<1> and respective weightings?
<1> the tricky thing is that these components change
<0> well
<0> it's just cash
<0> sum of all value of all goods and services produced
<0> adjusted for inflation
<1> right
<2> yup
<2> you can break it down any way you like
<0> yeah
<3> you guys are true economics gurus
<2> there are no fixed "components"
<0> depending on how you measure it, there might be adjustments
<0> like if you look at just "value of stuff sold in stores"
<0> then you gotta subtract imports
<0> cause those weren't made domestically
<0> and add back the exports
<0> cause those are sold abroad
<1> hmm
<3> are you an economist
<0> but any way you slice it or measure it, gdp is just the total value of all goods and services produced, adjusted for inflation
<0> no
<1> i am
<3> that is quite interesting
<0> if you trade stocks, there is no gdp there, just redistributing wealth
<0> same as welfare and lotter etc.
<0> but the salary of brokers and casino employees is part of gdp
<2> no that's not true
<1> look
<0> cause they are providing a service consumed by the punters in the markets and black jack tables
<1> lqqk
<2> many ppl think that stock market is a zero sum game, but's not at all
<0> i didn't say it was
<2> options are zero sum, but not stocks
<0> but the total volume of shares traded doesn't go into GDP
<2> yes, you did actually
<0> no i didn't
<0> only if a company does a share placement, to raise new equity
<2> you said stock investment was just "redistributing wealth"
<3> i do trade stocks
<0> that's GDP since it goes under investment
<2> the formal term for that is "zero-sum game"
<0> for the most part it is
<2> but that's false
<0> i know that share trading isn't a zero sum game
<0> there are dividends paid out
<0> BUT
<0> the volume of trading only redistributes wealth
<0> it doesn't go into gdp
<0> it's just shuffling paper around
<2> consider an IPO
<0> no goods or services are being produced
<0> other than the broker working
<0> and his salary
<2> that is NOT just shuffling paper around
<0> depends
<0> if the IPO is raising new equity
<0> not all do
<2> that is essentially funding a company by raising capital
<2> allowing it to invest into more growth
<0> some IPO's only let the founders sell out
<0> no new equity is raised
<0> though i guess this isn't the most common type
<4> PUT IT IN MAH PRIME FUND
<3> mastercard dropped a bit today eh
<3> .q mcd
<5> MCD (mcdonalds cp) last: 32.92 -0.34 -1.03% (Vol: 6162400) Daily Range: (32.88-33.35) Yearly Range: (27.36 - 36.75)
<3> .s mastercard
<0> and anyway, even when new eqwuity is raised,even though you're right, that is new inevstment
<3> !s mastercard
<6> No Companies found.
<3> !s master card
<6> No Companies found.
<3> junk
<0> i still wouldn't book it as part of gdp
<0> it makes more sense i think to book as it's actually spend on capital investments
<0> and so on
<0> not during the capital raising
<2> i didn't say it was part of gdp
<0> ok
<2> but it often drives an increase in gdp, by allowing the company to grow
<0> i see your point, re not a zero sum game
<1> gee dee pee
<0> but i wasn't saying it was
<7> R0B0C0D OWNZ J00
<0> futures options and swaps are zero sum
<1> who's robocod
<8> my browser.
<2> yes
<7> word crispexi
<7> lol
<7> :)
<1> i know robocock
<8> its from rumors.org the aol rumor one it has the name R0B0C0D in there
<7> you're showing up on google analytics
<8> long story, inside joke
<1> oh
<8> yeah i know (:
<7> hehe
<1> har har
<1> haaaaaaaar
<8> sellsellsell
<8> i missed the show
<0> how did mastercard do? did it just list?
<8> f its on now but i saw the last 20m
<3> yes
<8> !q mc
<9> MC (MATSU****A EL IND) - 4:00pm: .31 Change(+0.35 +1.59%) / Opened(22.21) Lastclose(21.96) / Range: Daily(22.09 - 22.37) Yearly(14.96 - 25.14) / Volume(254800)
<7> man google analytics is ****in slick
<8> whats the ticker
<3> the first day mastercard jumped
<8> f i spilled beer everywhere
<3> but it dropped today
<3> !q ma
<9> MA (MASTERCARD INCORP) - 4:01pm: .93 Change(-1.07 -2.33%) / Opened(46.30) Lastclose(46.00) / Range: Daily(44.11 - 46.74) Yearly(40.20 - 46.74) / Volume(10304400)
<3> nice
<0> hmm
<0> did it list at 40?
<0> what was the IPO price?
<1> masterbates was up today. it was a hard day for anything not long since it ripped the shorts in half.
<3> 40.20
<2> it listed at 38 something
<3> it opened 40.20
<0> can someone explain shorting to me?
<0> i get the basics but i might have some confusions
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