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<0> well i already have one fund o fthat
<1> i think the smallcaps and the midcaps will be hurt more badly cuz of the housing slowdown
<2> i go mid/small growth
<2> and large value
<0> could you take a look at this fund for me?
<0> Franklin Small-Mid Cap Growth Fund Cl*** - A
<1> where i look at the Dow 30, and the banks aside, i see no housing exposure
<0> that's part of my 401k options
<0> it looks like it might have a load though?
<1> ick loads, lame
<0> the international option for my 401k is the Fidelity Diversified International Fund
<0> pitz - i wasn't sure though- could you look at it?
<0> I -think- it has a load but I don't know how to read these that well
<1> hmmmm... i dont know man, jsut the idea of buying mutual funds makes me sick
<0> why's that
<1> because 'active' management rarely outperforms p***ive
<1> thats why index stuff is good
<2> index funds have generally outperformed active management
<0> well these woudl all be index mutual funds
<2> over 50 years
<2> and you have a long time
<1> hmmmm.. im pretty sure vanguard has a 'total world' type of fund
<0> hmm
<0> this fidelity looks good
<0> no load
<1> one fund that has everything worldwide
<0> that franklin had a 5.75% front load
<1> indexxed
<0> **** that
<1> lol lame
<1> they should be paying you, not the other way around
<0> http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Fund/Snapshot.asp?Country=USA&Symbol=FDIVX
<3> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/q2z3j (URL by neil-)
<0> here's the diversified one
<0> that looks pretty good to me
<0> large cap international growth
<0> so i'm thinking use that for my 401k
<1> yeah i mean, try and understand whats in those funds
<0> and then pick a no-load index fund that tracks the russel 2000
<0> for my IRA
<1> yeah
<0> i think that seems reasonable
<1> yeah
<1> theres no real 'right' or 'wrong' answer. but most ppl, fund salesmen and managers aside, generally agree
<1> that indexxing is a superior strategy over the long term
<0> what's a reasonable expense ratio?
<1> well IVV charges 0.09%
<1> Brk (Berkshire Hathaway) is like 0.001%
<1> most of my ETFs are 0.17%
<0> that's really low
<1> cuz im Canadian
<0> these funds are showing like... .7% on average
<1> thats the cost of keeping the managers in BMWs and offices panneled with exotic woods ;-)
<0> ya
<0> but index funds have those expenses too right?
<1> well most index funds are much lower...
<1> some aren't obviously... you have to do research
<1> **** USD, go down, i wanna close my short position, hehe
<0> hmm
<0> ok well
<0> i'll just do it this way
<0> how can you tell if a mutual fund is index-based?
<1> well it'll say, "tracks the S&P 500 index"
<1> or something like that
<0> http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Fund/Snapshot.asp?Country=USA&Symbol=FDIVX
<3> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/q2z3j (URL by neil-)
<1> TSX60 index
<1> whatever
<0> can you tell if that's an index fund?
<0> http://personal.fidelity.com/products/funds/mfl_frame.shtml?315910802
<3> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/qpml6 (URL by neil-)
<0> or that
<1> that looks good.. but thats no index fund from what i can tell
<1> its an IRA... or 401k, so you can change later if you want
<1> without cap gains taxes
<0> well i've gotta work with what's within my 401k at least
<0> for the one option
<1> .oil
<4> !q desc
<5> Oil: Nymex Crude Future 64.05 -.21 09:07
<4> !q DESC
<1> .q nq
<0> gotta run but i'll be back
<0> time to make some money
<6> .p
<3> Portfolio:
<3> HYB 3.00 (2.1800) 6.54 +212.95%
<3> SOMH 1.00 (14.1600) 14.16 +11.50%
<3> DPD 1.00 (19.3000) 19.30 +0.26%
<3> MO 16.00 (72.8700) 1165.92 -0.10%
<3> Total portfolio value for jim is 5.92 +0.40% ($4.84) gain
<1> .q ECA
<5> ECA (encana corp) last: 47.27 -0.64 -1.35% , range: 46.97-47.44, vol: 204700
<7> !q goog cmg sbux wire abt bwng
<7> .q goog cmg sbux wire abt bwng
<5> GOOG (google) last: 366.43 +0.63 0.17% , range: 365.00-367.49, vol: 1168027
<5> CMG (chipotle mex gril) last: 53.92 -0.59 -1.09% , range: 53.80-54.45, vol: 36200
<5> SBUX (starbucks cp) last: 36.74 +0.12 0.33% , range: 36.51-36.92, vol: 481461
<5> WIRE (encore wire cp) last: 31.58 -0.65 -2.06% , range: 31.53-32.55, vol: 111567
<5> ABT (abbott laboratori) last: 44.04 +0.17 0.39% , range: 43.99-44.60, vol: 649600
<5> BWNG (broadwing corp) last: 14.84 +0.08 0.54% , range: 14.67-15.05, vol: 451577
<8> greetings
<8> would you say that LU is a bad investment right now, solely because the price/book is about 40?
<8> i guess because they carry so much debt?
<9> .q lu
<9> !q lu
<5> LU (lucent tech inc) last: 3.12 +0.06 1.92% , range: 3.09-3.16, vol: 59343400
<6> lu is a bad investment because they have ****ty management
<6> and all of their earnings are from their pension fund
<6> doing better than expected
<6> they don't make $ from their business
<8> even at this level?
<6> but they have like a 30 billion dollar pension fund
<6> to fleece
<6> giddy: at $1 i might of bought it
<6> but at #4
<6> err
<6> $3
<6> maybe not
<6> .p
<3> Portfolio:
<3> HYB 3.00 (2.1710) 6.51 +211.66%
<3> SOMH 1.00 (14.4900) 14.49 +14.09%
<3> DPD 1.00 (19.3200) 19.32 +0.36%
<8> what do you mean about the pension?
<3> MO 16.00 (72.7700) 1164.32 -0.23%
<3> Total portfolio value for jim is 4.643 +0.30% ($3.56) gain
<6> when a company's pension fund earns more than is needed for the year
<6> it gets to report the extra as earnings
<8> ok so it's sort of like an investment arm
<6> i think i have strep throat
<6> and it hurts =/
<8> like when big companies have extra cash they can start up their own finance division and start selling loans, etc
<8> is that in the same ballpark?
<6> it's exactly what i said
<6> lets say a pension fund needs to earn 7%
<6> to meet its obligations
<6> if it earns 9%
<6> that extra 2% goes to the company's balance sheet
<8> the price to book is high.. because their debt is high at 5.42B. Yahoo says they have about 2B in cash.. what do they keep that around for?
<6> bad times
<6> who knows
<8> sorry for the burst of questions, i'm using LU as a way to learn more
<8> there is no "magic number" as to what a healthy % is, for % owned by instititions...is there?
<8> you know, like batting over .300 is good, 30+ home runs are good
<6> i honestly
<6> like it when a company
<6> isn't owned by instituitions
<6> cus once they own it
<6> all they can do is sell
<6> if they don't own it yet, they can buy
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