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<0> pitz, you don't have to take my word for it, it HAPPENED during the late 70's and early 80's here in the United States
<1> look at europe, they have very efficient DIESEL cars
<1> why? cuz fuel is frickin $6/gallon
<0> no
<1> they dont waste fuel like its water there
<2> we all need to start driving VWs
<0> have you been to europe?
<1> Invest_Wk yes.
<3> we need a monorail!
<1> 50% of cars sold in europe today are diesels
<2> for colo and so on they are expensive on the page
<1> that get at least 50mpg
<0> there is no freaking way most average sized american car would fit comfortably on european roads
<1> yeah but those euro cars would work just fine on american roads
<0> they have to make their cars smaller to make it functional
<1> and if every car got even 40mpg.... think of how much surplus petrol there would be on the market
<0> so that the cars can actually travel on their sickly twisted roads
<1> but ppl won't buy 40mpg cars and pay extra...if there is little economic incentive, with cheap north american petrol
<0> it's a trade off
<0> always is
<0> in order to make such cars, one would have to make trade offs in weight, comfort and safety
<1> well very few SUVs in Canada, or Hummers, or even pick-up trucks... i attribute that to higher petrol taxes.
<4> where in canada are you?
<1> zzkd Sask
<4> ther are ****loads of suv's on the road here in montreal
<2> pitz- : wtf don't you live in alberta?
<1> though even Calgary doesn't have that many SUVs
<1> nothing compared to Los Angeles or Dallas
<1> or MIA
<2> I heard otherwise
<4> compare populations though
<5> PimpMog7 lol 'g
<2> pitz- : I heard especially ppl who work for oil companies lots of them like buying big duallys
<5> pitz-
<0> I hate small cars. They are very UNCOMFORTABLE
<5> "D
<1> erikg sure, if they're welders up north and want a work truck
<1> or something for their boat
<2> it's the big thinkg they all want some 250 or 350 ford running diesel
<2> I think it's redneck and alot of them just don't really need it but it's the thing down there and anyways calgary is probably one of the cheapest city when it comes to fuel in all of canada
<0> pitz, another thing is that people in US can afford it
<2> alot of energy/petrolium company have their HQs in calgary
<2> the tarsands are huge from what I understand
<1> yeah i think they're supposed to hit 5.5 million barrels/day by 2015
<0> after all, US per capita is higher than that of Canada
<1> from Canada
<2> Invest_Wk : some places in canada are well off.. out west they have decent salaries so des toronto
<1> thats what, a $3 trillion/year GDP for Canada in current dollars
<1> that puts Canada far ahead of the US per capita, very soon here
<0> erikg, well if one earns 15k/yr they're practically in proverty in US
<2> !calc 15000/52
<0> in a lot of other countries, quite the opposite
<6> 15000/52 = 288
<2> !calc 288/40
<6> 288/40 = 7
<1> .q ECA
<2> minimum salary is 6 here
<1> !ng
<7> Natural Gas Last Trade: 5.975 Change: +0
<8> apple itunes uses internap
<2> so that's 1$ above minimum salary for sure you're living poor
<2> legally they can't pay you much cheaper
<2> unless you're coming from mexico every morning
<2> :D
<0> people will still drive here even if gas hits $5/gal
<2> so of course you'll be poor
<0> most people will be able to afford it
<2> everything goes up
<9> where do you live invest? CA?
<0> Calif
<9> yep definitely
<2> insuarnce is costing me a 23yr old person 425$/m
<2> for a 4dr car
<10> ouch
<0> what?
<1> lol i pay $450 a year for my car
<2> a car payment is usually between 200-500$/m depending what you went for
<1> hehe
<9> lol
<0> crazy
<2> yet wages are so low
<9> i pay $2700/yr and i'm 19
<0> not worth it
<0> but you can buy a very fancy top of the line bicycle for that price
<2> I'm thinking of trading my sedan for a more powerful wagon model
<2> but cheaper
<2> and probably cheaper to insure
<0> rather than people giving up driving or going to smaller cars, I think people will make lifestyle adjustments
<0> first
<0> I think people will move closer to work
<0> that's one of the first things
<9> in LA? are you kidding
<0> people maybe willing to rent more than to own a home
<0> especially if you're in LA
<9> so many people drive from ontario to downtown and even santa monica
<2> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-2005-Subaru-WRX-Sport-Wagon-Loaded_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31868QQitemZ4643545066QQrdZ1
<9> they cant afford houses west of the 15 fwy
<0> that's why they will rent
<0> renting makes even more sense anyway
<0> you can rent in a nice neighborhood with good schools
<0> in the long run if you invest the difference vs. owning a home, you can do quite well
<2> Invest_Wk : wihel being in toronto I had to live in a crack-house neighborhood and it was costing 800$/m for a bachelor
<11> where's the 215
<2> closer I got to work closer I was to Yong st which made prices go nuts
<0> hwy 215 is by san bernardino, ca
<11> ****in' a
<11> that's 100 miles inland
<9> yel
<9> yep
<0> no
<0> it's about 50 miles
<0> the traffic makes it seems like it's 100 miles
<11> heh
<0> you can make it from downtown LA to san bernardino in about 40 minutes with low traffic
<8> i'm driving to LA soon and it's gonna take like 7 hours
<9> whre do ya live jcv
<8> LA TRAFFIC ****S BALLS
<0> it will take about 2 hours and 15 minutes with heavy traffic
<8> i live in San Francisco, but i'm in Arizona right now
<9> ha ha
<8> and i'm driving from phx to LA
<9> dont speed
<9> the CHP in BFE is nasty
<8> yeah i've learned that lesson the hard way
<8> yep
<9> they pulled over my parents for having no license plate on their brand new car
<0> erikg, you can always get a different job
<0> erikg, the gas price will cause people to make life style changes more than anything
<0> people will live closer to work, close enough so that they can walk to work or drive for 10-15 minutes
<0> people will rent more
<9> no way i'm moving closer to my work
<9> its so dirty there
<0> trend will be inward to the cities probably away from suburbs, especially since cities have more jobs
<0> yeah but if gas hits $10/gal what will you do?
<9> probably bike
<9> it's only 12 miles away
<0> see?
<0> people have to move closer to work
<11> PHOENIX TRAFFIC IS WORSE BECAUSE NOBODY HERE HAS ANY HEAVY TRAFFIC SKILLS
<9> but takes me 30 min to drive
<0> you're close enough already I suppose
<9> yea
<9> and the freeways in phoenix are ****ed up iirc
<11> they don't go anywhere useful
<0> I'm not sure if motorcycle costs more to insure, but people may move to that direction
<11> if you want to go across down you have to go AROUND town
<0> yeah
<8> lol
<8> phoenix ****s
<11> BUILD THE PARADISE PARKWAY
<8> although there are so many hot women here
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