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<0> but I still believe fundamentals are the key
<1> yhoo still has to test support a bit more
<0> you wait to test support any longer and you lose the opportunity
<1> not when there was a 118,655,608 share volume spike
<0> chances are.. it may never see 35 tomorrow
<0> the huge volume is from weak sellers
<1> what does that have to do with anything though?
<1> i'm curiuos
<1> curious
<0> fundamentals
<0> if INTC reports bad
<0> and others
<1> weak sellers?
<0> of course
<0> those panicing
<0> "like OMG.. i've got to sell out"
<2> maybe i should short google
<1> ok, well, fundamentally, what is going to cause the stock to rebound?
<0> when others realise (like they did in Japan) that the share price has been over hyped
<0> in a bad way
<0> despite INTC, how does INTC have a relation to YHOO?
<0> 2 entirely different industries
<1> .oil
<3> Oil: Nymex Crude Future 65.90 .17 02:08
<0> Oil & Yahoo
<1> i think that yahoo will sell off a bit more tomorrow
<0> add the 2 ?
<1> not because of oil'
<0> ok. even if it dips to 34
<1> i'm just reading about oil
<0> no biggie
<0> .f YHOO
<3> YHOO :: O/S: 1,418,736,000
<0> .q YHOO
<3> YHOO (yahoo inc) last: 35.1799 -4.9301 -14.01% , range: 34.74-36.16, vol: 118670392
<1> .fa yhoo
<4> Fundamentals :: YHOO :: (Last: 35.09) (P/E: 37.45) (P/S: 11.77) (P/B: 7.54) (BV: 5.319) (EPS: 1.071)
<0> where's the 52wk h/l ?
<1> !q yhoo
<5> YHOO - YAHOO INC- 35.09 -4.9301 -12.29% (18670392) Daily Range: [++--------] 24% (34.74 36.16) Yearly Range: [+++-------] 35% (30.30 43.66)
<0> see
<0> i would say 35 is a respectable price
<1> respectable yes
<1> $34.50
<1> 34.75
<0> i'm still annoyed for missing all the beautiful shorts - guy like JJ making a mint!
<1> jj didn't short a thing
<1> he just bought a put
<0> he capitalised on them!
<1> yeah
<1> how many shares of yhoo do you plan on buying?
<0> 500
<0> if it moves a whole point..
<0> I might sell in afterhours
<6> wow
<0> less comssions.. still $400
<6> yahoo got hit really hard
<6> i might pick up some yahoo
<6> it's still the #1 destination on the internet
<0> jcv: you see!
<1> yeah heh
<1> i'm calling a no go
<1> tomorrow
<0> jcv: it's people like tanto that look and say.. "ding ding.. we have a red and blue light special on isle 14"
<6> yeah
<6> i personally think yahoo is a 50 stock
<1> but you wouldn't hold yahoo til it was $50
<6> nah
<0> tanto: compared to Google.. haha
<6> .return 35.00 40.00
<3> The Return rate for 35.00 -> 40.00 is: 14.29%
<0> what warrants GOOG to go from 80 -> 420 ?
<6> super_bq: price isn't a good comparison
<6> i look at value
<6> price * outstanding shares
<6> the market value
<6> google has FAR fewer shares than most companies
<6> that's why the price is so high
<0> value eh? how about supply and demand
<0> if you want value.. look at P/E
<0> .fa GOOG
<1> look
<4> Fundamentals :: GOOG :: (Last: 444.31) (P/E: 103.48) (P/S: 26.29) (P/B: 14.62) (BV: 31.96) (EPS: 4.514)
<6> i think p/e is useless
<6> =]
<1> if you like yahoo tomorrow morning
<6> i don't look at p/e at all
<1> buy an out of-the money call
<1> at $35
<1> err
<1> $37.50
<0> after all, you say "fewer shares" then the P/E better reflect it
<1> buy 5 contracts
<1> pay less
<1> control the same
<6> P/E has nothing to do with # of shares
<1> risk is minimal
<1> .options yhoo
<4> Options info for YHOO: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=YHOO
<6> you're thinking P/S price to shares ratio
<6> i like BV
<1> !calc .60 * 500
<6> and P/B
<5> .60 * 500 = 300.0
<1> 300 for the calls
<1> or
<6> some EPS
<6> some OPS
<1> !calc 35 * 500
<5> 35 * 500 = 17500
<0> tanto: true true
<1> 17,500 for the shares
<6> cash flow
<1> !calc 500/17500
<5> 500/17500 = 0
<1> !calc 500/17500.00
<6> i don't use P/E at all for longer term plays
<5> 500/17500.00 = 0.0285714285714
<1> !calc .02857 * 100
<5> .02857 * 100 = 2.857
<0> tanto: scary
<6> i think there are better indicators =]
<0> tanto: I can't help but look at it because if we can't meet earnings.. well i'm better off at the casino
<1> control 500 shares for $300, 2.86% of the full cost of the 500 shares, and you'd only be risking 2.86% of the capital
<0> jcv: uhm.. options is not entirely about that
<1> what do you mean
<1> it's EXACTLY about that
<1> it's about leverage
<0> jcv: part of the problem is the gains are already factored into the price of the options contract the CLOSER the strike date approaches
<1> tomorrow, $37.50 calls are going to be worth LESS
<1> you buy them
<1> for a quick gain
<1> in this case
<1> there are no gains factored into the call
<0> and you'd be silly to pick a strike price that is WAY out of the current trading price
<1> !return 35 37.5
<5> The Return rate for 35 -> 37.5 is: 7.14285714286%
<0> though the options contract price may be low.. what chance will you be "IN the $" when at the expiration date?
<1> well
<0> all relative
<1> that's true i guess
<1> you can buy the 35.00 calls
<0> and it gets worse when you do multiple options
<1> for 1.50 (maybe less tomorrow)
<0> ie. Straddles...
<1> nah
<0> or jcv's favorite Strangles
<1> it's really not worse
<0> commissions costs!
<1> it just requires lots of math
<1> you gotta work it out
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