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<0> whats up
<1> rubbing my hands together and smiling
<1> I love a down market
<1> you?
<0> hah yeah
<0> not much really
<1> earnings have been so bad
<0> you estimate we will see some green today?
<1> I doubt it
<0> hmm
<1> intel, yahoo had bad earnings after hours
<0> yeah i know
<1> and gm is a dog
<0> intel made someone real rich
<1> so thats gonna weigh on the dow
<1> it made alot of people very rich
<0> yeah someone in here
<1> its split about 10 times since 1990
<1> ah
<1> everything was down in after hours yesterday
<1> I wasn't around in the day
<1> so I check the stocks at 7pm
<1> and all I see is just negatives
<1> lol
<0> haha yeah
<1> you saw the nikkei story?
<0> Nah..
<1> The halted trading cause too many people were selling off
<1> first time in its history
<1> happened in the night
<1> nikkei is combusting
<1> so much for those 5 yr highs
<0> they halted trading just because people were selling off?
<1> yes
<1> too many people were selling their stocks
<0> i see.
<1> so much so that the system couldnt handle it
<0> ahhh
<0> you thinking of taking any positions today?
<1> nope
<1> I only take positions once a month if all goes well
<0> why so little
<0> ?
<1> because I just do covered writes for now
<0> I see
<0> !Q YHOO
<2> YHOO - YAHOO INC- 35.45 0.00 0.00% (1246) Daily Range: N/A (N/A N/A) Yearly Range: [+++-------] 38% (30.30 43.66)
<1> I think yhoo is gonna be a good short
<0> woah
<1> even with the 10% decline already
<0> i didnt realise it was down that much
<0> 11%
<1> ya
<0> after hours
<1> I think 32 33 is a good target
<1> especially if goog has good or decent earnings
<0> you think
<1> .google earnings calendar goog
<3> http://biz.yahoo.com/research/earncal/20050721.html
<1> hmm old
<0> would you expect it rise again if its down only on down market
<1> what? yhoo?
<1> its down on earnings
<1> the market is only helping a bit
<0> oh
<0> didnt know
<1> !Q amd
<2> AMD - ADV MICRO DEVICES- 32.00 0.00 0.00% (500) Daily Range: N/A (N/A N/A) Yearly Range: [+++++++---] 76% (14.08 37.46)
<1> I called it amd a short last monday at 34.60
<0> intc down on earning too?
<1> ya
<0> i see i see
<1> !calc (34.60-32.00)/34.60
<0> might be worth some puts on yhoo
<0> if market down again today
<1> buy or sell?
<0> buy
<1> i'd buy at the money calls to be honest if it dropped to 32
<1> ya
<1> .q gm
<4> GM (gen motors) last: 19.82 0.00 0.00%, range: N/A-N/A, vol: 0
<0> you'd buy at-the-money calls when it reaches 32?
<1> I saw an article in the wsj a while ago that "people should sell gm puts at 20$ for next month" no way you can be wrong on that one!
<1> I hope no one took that advice
<0> hehe
<1> ya
<1> or a little out of the money
<0> AMZN down quite hard recently too
<1> but I don't track yahoo
<1> !q amzn
<2> AMZN - AMAZON.COM INC- 44.00 0.00 0.00% () Daily Range: N/A (N/A N/A) Yearly Range: [++++++----] 69% (30.60 50.00)
<1> ya
<0> i've never dealt with options before
<0> would like to have a go
<1> ya
<1> theres alot you can do with options. It gives you flexibility and profit potential. However risk varies
<0> hmm
<1> but thats the case with all things
<0> on plain vinilla options risk doesn't seem that bad
<0> the risk:reward ratio
<0> looks good
<1> erm
<0> the max you can loose is what ever you put in if you dont excersize the option
<1> depends what you term "plain vanilla"
<1> not really
<0> oh just standard options
<1> ya
<1> you can lose your shirt
<0> well thats what investopedia told me
<1> if you play it that way
<1> lol
<0> hehehe
<1> then I dont know what its talking about
<1> for instance
<0> surely if you buy $500 worth of options in say.. YHOO
<1> if you short (sell it) an option
<0> and you never exercise them
<1> you will lose more than you put into it
<0> and the options expire
<0> you loose $500
<0> how can you loose more?
<1> Mo-oZ, you're just talking about going long on an option
<0> yeah
<1> you can do 4 things with options
<0> thats what im talking about
<1> which are deemed "plain vanilla"
<0> :P
<1> sell and buy a call and a put
<0> hmm
<0> yeah
<0> hmmmm,
<0> i knew that, just don't understand it
<0> i thought a put was where you are shorting (planning for the underlying stock to fall in value)
<1> ya
<0> and a call was when you're entering it as a long position (planning for the price to rise)
<1> if you buy a put
<1> but if you sell a put
<1> you are betting it wont fall
<1> so you just take the profit
<1> from the premium
<1> or the difference between what you sell and buy it back at when the stock goes up
<0> hmmm
<0> w00t
<1> ya
<1> simple concepts
<1> but it gets a bit complicated
<0> not too simple at the moment
<0> so whats the difference between selling a put and buying a call?
<1> well the expectation of where the stock is going
<1> and profit potential
<1> if you sell a put you expect the stock to go up or stay where it is
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