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<0> if you don't need to drive on 1 wheel kawasaki is good
<0> z1000
<0> thats the one i want
<1> damn, no love for the pollacks
<2> .return 23.5 25.75
<3> The Return rate for 23.5 -> 25.75 is: 9.57%
<2> !q dell
<4> DELL (DELL INC) - 4:00pm: .12 Change(-0.79 -3.17%) / Opened(24.76) Lastclose(24.91) / Range: Daily(24.06 - 24.92) Yearly(23.60 - 41.99) / Volume(43106832)
<5> poor
<0> !q vg
<4> VG (VONAGE HOLDINGS C) - 4:01pm: .60 Change(-0.22 -2.24%) / Opened(9.80) Lastclose(9.82) / Range: Daily(9.60 - 9.92) Yearly(9.60 - 17.25) / Volume(746000)
<0> that stock any good... I see adds on tv all the time
<2> yea
<2> it's really cheap now
<2> i just loaded up on it in my portfolio
<2> 75%
<2> thats how i confident i am in vonage
<0> it has m***ive market cap still
<2> yea
<2> negative earnings will go away next quarter
<1> up to how much will brokers lend you to buy a blue chip stock?
<0> Airduster: you need an internet connection with it though
<2> yea
<2> most people have broadband
<0> psilo: all brokers are different
<0> Airduster: is it VOIP or something else?
<2> vonage's main competion comes from comcast cable
<2> yea
<2> comcast cable offers, cable, internet, phone service all in one
<1> mio what's the maximum yousr will lend?
<0> Airduster: cox too
<2> psilo: i'm not sure.
<0> psilo: it htink 4:1
<0> some will do 50:1 though
<2> lol mio_ i was just messing you i don't own vonage haha
<2> i thought you were some newbie
<2> haha
<2> vonage is risky
<2> + you have people like cramer, who bash the company everyday
<1> 50:1??
<2> i think they have a chance
<1> are you serious?
<0> Airduster: vonage commercials are what got me interested..
<2> yea
<2> they advertise a lot don't they?
<2> they spend 88 mil last quarter
<2> on marketing
<0> the commercials are stupid
<2> maybe
<1> those brokers must be nuts. unless they do a hardcore credit check on you and not let you open up any large individual positions on such leverage
<2> look in history though
<1> that is insane
<2> who did the same thing?
<0> Psilo: yea some of the really good ones will
<2> about 8 years ago
<2> when ISPs were just blowing up
<2> AOL
<2> m***ive advertising
<2> thats the only reason why they have negative net income
<2> they spend so much on advertising, i think they will secure a big enough market share
<2> AOL CRUSHED it's competition through marketing
<2> Vonage is attempting to do the same
<0> I can't belive i'm so stupid on vonage ipo
<2> ouch
<0> just learned about it
<2> yea Mastercard was the way to go
<2> that week
<5> mio_: you have vg?
<2> shorted i hope haha
<0> champi0n: no
<5> why would you want it?
<0> champi0n: missed it
<5> its going down forever
<5> be glad you didnt buy it
<2> well
<2> cause of people like champi0n
<2> vonage will be undervalued soon
<5> yeah
<5> buy when it hits bottom
<5> maybe a few more points who knows
<5> i dont think its a good investment anyway
<2> i truely believe they will sign 2x as many subscribers next quarter
<2> will suprise many people
<5> theres too much competition and there is competiton from FREE services
<5> how can they compete with free
<2> doesn't matter
<2> marketing is key
<2> free services don't really advertise
<2> word of mouth
<5> most people will go with their cable company
<0> thing is the USB ip phones are comming out skype or whatever
<2> vonage ads are everywhere
<5> because they offer package deals/discounts
<2> yes
<2> thats what vonage has to worry about
<2> comcast is huge out here in the midwest
<5> my cable company offers phone/internet/TV for $99 a month
<5> it doesnt make sense to go with vonage
<2> like i said, we'll see what happends next quarter
<5> yeah
<2> but you ask me, i wouldn't be suprised
<2> if they post postive net income
<5> until then I would not consider vonage a buy
<5> there are better buys out there I feel
<0> $99 a month seems expnsive... do you get unlimited phone time or something?
<2> thats for everything
<2> cable, phone, internet
<5> yes
<2> comcast has offers like that
<5> all 3 for $99
<2> thats actually not bad
<2> comcast's offer is $129/m i believe
<5> the $99 a month is only for the first year
<2> we don't have VoIP phone here though, so we just pay $70
<5> it goes up after that
<0> unlimited long distance... my neighbor used his ip phone to talk to his girl in europe for hours at a time.. balh blah blah... I guess it was free except for $8 month for a phone number or something like that
<0> some VOIP ghetto stuff
<2> well
<5> yeah
<2> phone companys are gonna lose big
<2> yea especially when skype phones come up
<2> up=out
<0> well this bring me to the point of what to do with this vonage...
<2> watch it
<2> been going down past 4-5 days
<2> meaning it will reach a bottom eventually
<2> it even went down on the 200-pt day
<0> if all this marketing...
<0> thats weak
<2> http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
<2> err
<2> http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=vg
<2> look at the last 10days
<5> shameful
<2> notice the selling volume as the stock is trending down
<2> it's decreasing
<0> thats piss poor performance for an ipo
<2> meaning a bottom is near
<2> bottom might be reached 1-2 days
<2> maybe more... i'd keep an eye on it
<2> i'm not saying to look for the bottom, then buy and hold
<2> if you want to make a quick profit
<2> that entry point is coming
<2> yea probably in the low $9 range
<0> I could do that...
<2> 9.10
<2> ish
<2> yea negative volume divergence
<2> running out of sellers
<2> if you want to make a quick profit in another bad company haha
<2> dell is about to bottom in it's range
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