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<0> Hi
<1> hmmmm
<1> if Venezuela expropriates ExxonMobil ***ets
<1> does ExxonMobil get Citgo ***ets in America?
<2> .p
<3> Portfolio:
<3> SOMH 1.00 (14.4500) 14.45 +13.78%
<3> DPD 1.00 (19.3300) 19.33 +0.42%
<3> MO 16.00 (70.8900) 1134.24 -2.81%
<3> HYB 9.00 (2.1300) 19.17 +0.95%
<3> Total portfolio value for jim is 7.19 -2.53% ($-30.79) loss
<4> who here has top tanker?
<4> !q topt
<4> .q topt
<3> TOPT (top tankers inc) last: 13.00 -0.63 -4.85% , range: 12.78-13.62, vol: 1221884
<5> .oil
<6> Oil: Nymex Crude Future 66.35 -.28 16:58
<2> .gold
<6> Gold - 580.8
<2> .silver
<2> omg
<2> 580
<2> !silver
<7> oil is going to $120
<8> [20:26] <nnaqz> finally Michelle Eveland spy pictures on the net .. at cams2006. com
<8> spammer
<1> hehe yeah im getting the same spam reddog`
<9> (20:42:29) (nnaqz) can you believe it???? Ana Alicia live at startcams. com !
<9> (21:11:46) (blackdevl) realy?
<9> (21:11:47) (blackdevl) wow
<9> (21:11:52) (blackdevl) thanks for the tip
<8> not enough ops in here to regulate
<10> guy pmed me too lol
<11> thx guys
<9> np
<12> !oil
<12> !ng
<12> hmm
<12> !oil
<12> !ng
<12> !oil
<12> grmm
<12> wierd
<12> !ng
<13> Nymex Crude Oil 6.35 Change: -.28 Change%: -.42 Time: 6:58
<13> Nymex Henry Hub Future .21 Change: .00 Change%: .00 Time: 6:59
<13> Nymex Crude Oil 6.35 Change: -.28 Change%: -.42 Time: 6:58
<13> Nymex Henry Hub Future .21 Change: .00 Change%: .00 Time: 6:59
<12> slow website
<12> !q edo
<13> EDO (E D O CP) - 4:03pm: .85 Change(+0.23 +0.75%) / Opened(30.50) Lastclose(30.62) / Range: Daily(30.50 - 30.88) Yearly(25.43 - 31.63) / Volume(143500)
<1> 'sup?
<12> hey sushi
<12> sup 'g
<14> !q goog
<13> GOOG (GOOGLE) - 4:00pm: .00 Change(+1.56 +0.40%) / Opened(388.75) Lastclose(388.44) / Range: Daily(384.03 - 391.87) Yearly(179.84 - 475.11) / Volume(36524584)
<1> not much port
<12> !return 11 17.51
<15> The Return rate for 11 -> 17.51 is: 59.1818181818%
<7> .p2
<3> Portfolio:
<3> MOTDE.X 100.00 (0.1100) 11.00 -90.83%
<3> PPA 100.00 (17.1900) 1719.00 +7.77%
<3> TRRDX 175.03 (17.5100) 3064.76 +2.16%
<3> Total portfolio value for jcv is 4.75779 +1.69% ($79.76) gain
<1> heh could an ETF replace the SPR?
<1> i mean lets face it... if the country ever gets into enough of an energy crisis
<1> where emergency oil is needed
<1> ETF units could be redeemed
<1> by the government.... and oil flow out of the SPR
<1> the government would sell ETF units against the SPR reserves
<1> each ETF unit would represent one boe of crude oil in the SPR
<1> it'd be a way of privatizing the SPR
<12> !return 16 1294.82
<15> The Return rate for 16 -> 1294.82 is: 7992.625%
<1> without actually losing its position/role
<12> !return 200 1294.82
<15> The Return rate for 200 -> 1294.82 is: 547.41%
<12> in the last 20 years
<12> has
<12> the S&P averaged that much?
<12> in 20 years?
<12> does that make any sense
<12> ?
<12> in 1986 the S&P was about $200
<12> you can see it there
<12> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EGSPC&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=
<3> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/rplfs (URL by port)
<12> anyone going to confirm?
<1> yeah port. plus dividends ;-)
<1> dont forget those dividends!
<12> nice
<12> so
<12> wow
<12> 27% a year is NOT BAD
<12> AT ALL!
<1> ummm no
<1> i think your math is defective
<12> why
<12> do this
<12> start of S&P till now
<1> i only get 9.79%/annum going from 200 to 1300
<1> err 200 to 1294
<1> plus theres probably 2-3% of dividends in there
<1> so total return of 12%/annum
<12> hrmm
<1> well the S&P 500 began at what, 1?
<12> 1950
<1> what year did it begin?
<12> at about $16
<1> yeah so 56 years
<1> oh.. 16
<12> yeah look at the chart
<1> so (1294/16)^(1/56)
<12> !return 16 1294.82
<15> The Return rate for 16 -> 1294.82 is: 7992.625%
<12> !calc 7992.62 / 56
<15> 7992.62 / 56 = 142.725357143
<1> thats not right though
<1> you're taking simple interest
<1> not compound interest
<12> hmm
<1> 8.16%/annum + dividends
<1> is the answer.
<12> hm
<12> ok
<12> thx
<1> so 10.5%/annum
<12> makes sense
<1> roughly speakin
<12> umm
<12> i get it
<12> whats the (1/56)?
<12> oh i see
<12> for 1 year
<1> actually
<1> its (1294/16)^(1/56) - 1
<1> and of course, convert to a percentage
<1> The good news for energy investors is that human beings can do without most things in life but everybody needs oil to survive. The gooey liquid is used in pretty much everything we consume. Transportation, agriculture (pesticides), power, and plastic . they are all dependent on oil. Put simply, the demand (need) for oil is largely inelastic and doesn.t fluctuate a lot due to changes in price. For example - in the 1970.s, crude went from $1
<1> did oil really go from $1.5 / barrel to $40/barrel in the 1970s?
<2> yea
<2> and $40 in the 1970s is alot more than $70 today
<2> actually
<2> no they didn't
<2> http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/06/how_high_do_oil.html
<3> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/njb6p (URL by jim)
<2> i'm really not sure
<16> http://www.google.com/googlegulp/
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