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<0> Darken: heh
<1> We can act as cocky as we want, but Germany would have ****ing owned us 20 ways from Tuesday.
<2> germany would have?
<1> Yes.
<2> in what century
<1> This one.
<0> Napoleon was actually a good example of how a dictatorship is sometimes necessary to transition from rule by men to rule by law
<2> haha
<2> you're funny :/
<3> hmmm really
<0> he did a lot of good for the west
<3> israel would
<1> Helps to actually know a little history.
<2> rmah
<2> germany is going to take out our raptors
<0> Halo_Four: um, Germany never had a chance in WW-II
<2> this century germany can't touch us
<1> Sure they did. They just got stupid.
<0> they simply lacked the industrial strength to win vs a US-UK-USSR alliance
<2> last century, germany couldn't touch us
<1> Their mistake was attaching Russia.
<1> USSR took Germany down.
<2> their mistake was being under powered
<1> The US did not, and the UK was on the verge of tatters.
<0> Halo_Four: mostly, yes
<2> ussr took germany down by strategy
<4> ow, 26636 rows created
<0> actually Operation Barbarossa *almost* succeeded
<1> USSR took Germany by force and a ****load of casualties.
<2> not really halo
<2> if you ever studied the war strategies
<0> if Barbarossa would have worked, the US would have had to eventually sign a peace treaty
<2> germany was dominating until the ussr got smart
<0> either that or lose a few hundred thousand or million casualties
<2> ussr got a little smart...
<4> summary: US won - GG
<1> USSR didn't get smart, Germany got stupid.
<2> hehe
<0> Halo_Four: that's more or less true
<1> Germany attacked USSR and Stalin took it damned personally.
<0> Hitler was *not* a good strategist
<0> horrid, in fact. he got all emotional about ****
<3> he was a struggling artist
<1> If Germany didn't do that, we'd all be speaking German. Well, those few of us left.
<0> Halo, no
<1> US didn't have the military presense to take the German forces.
<0> the US-UK would have either stalemated or accepted the losses and won
<1> UK certainly didn't.
<0> Germany simply didn't have the economic strength
<1> US/UK would have failed.
<0> Halo_Four: you're wrong
<1> USSR won the war.
<0> I'm a military history and economic history buff, Germany could not win. period.
<1> Both by keeping half of Germany occupied with a second front, and by actually taking Berlin.
<0> For example, many german "mechanized" units still used horse-drawn artillery. Even before the attack on russia when they were supposedly in tip-top shape
<2> there was no way if the war continued germany would strong hand the USA
<2> it's silly to think so
<1> Darken: Sure they would have.
<0> Halo_Four, I agree with you there. The USSR did most of the fighting vs Germany
<2> no chance Halo_Four
<1> Yes chance, Darken.
<2> not even a chance
<1> Of course you also think that France has always been a weenie, so there goes your ability to think of history beyond what Fox News told ya.
<0> Germany had zero chance of winning WW-II ***uming the US was willing to take the required casualties to beat them
<2> USA is always willing to take it to the next level
<2> there's no doubt
<1> Makes you wonder what would have happened if Japan never bomed Hawaii.
<0> Darken: how is there no doubt?
<1> Hehe, no we weren't.
<1> We were very isolationist then.
<0> Halo_Four: probably the UK and Germans would have signed a peace treaty
<4> whee
<0> then the Germans would have attacked the USSR and won
<1> Roosevelt ran on a platform of not getting involved.
<0> and then they'd take the UK
<0> and then the world would be divided between the US and the Fascists
<0> and we'd still be locked in a cold war (or sorts)
<5> http://orlyowl.com/orly.jpg
<1> Like I said, thank the oceans.
<0> Halo_Four: he lied
<4> would have, should have, could have
<1> rmah: I don't doubt it, to get the votes, but it did get the votes.
<5> Last week bought myself another Ferrari took it for a spin, when I get a call from my boy to come meet him in this club for some modeling party. As soon as I pulled up by the club I had girls practically begging me to **** them, so being the gentlemen that I am, I took all of them home for a casual gangbang. Some people may call this crazy but meh, just another day in my life.
<0> Halo_Four, IMO, he did what he had to do for the right reasons
<1> I doubt there will be any more wars like that.
<2> don't doubt
<2> it's a repeating trend Halo_Four
<1> Playing field is the same, but the pieces are all different.
<0> Halo_Four, the next conflict will be between the US and China
<1> Possibly.
<0> let's hope it doesn't get "hot"
<0> It will be
<0> there is no doubt
<1> Iran might be them to it.
<2> i hope we pick a fight with north korea before that happens rmah
<2> :/
<1> Although Iran would probably be better considered a "skirmish."
<0> China today views itself as retaking it's rightful place as the leader of the world.
<2> id like to see north korea knocked into 6th world poverty
<2> rmah
<1> NK is already 6th world poverty
<0> The name of China in chinese means "middle kingdom", i.e. THE central nation
<2> and that's why i say **** the chinese
<1> China would be interesting.
<0> North Korea is meaningless from a global strategic perspective
<2> i make it a habit to try to stay away from chinese companies
<2> and chinese related companies
<1> There isn't a chance in Hell that we could actually take them on their turf.
<2> rmah yes but NK is like a fly
<0> as much as it matters a lot to me, NK, from a global view doesn't mean squat
<2> you just want to kill it
<0> it's Taiwan that could be the trigger
<0> China would rather go to war vs the US than let Taiwan actually declare independence (as far as people can tell today)
<0> the question is, how far would we be willing to back Taiwan if the Chinese invaded?
<1> Probably far enough to ask them to stop, politely.
<2> rmah
<2> with bush in the hot seat
<2> he'd send a lot
<0> dude, our ships have been within spitting distance in the straits when the Chinese conduct "training exersizes"
<2> :)
<2> bush isn't afraid to pretend he can't pronounce 4 letter words
<1> The American version of "Go Git Em" is nothing like the Chinese version.
<2> then send a wave of attacks
<0> and their "training exersizes" are marine landings on Taiwan
<2> bush lives the concept of "shock and awe"
<2> it's like baiting the enemy into underestimating you
<0> yeah, but China isn't Iraq
<2> hehehe
<1> China has the power to turn Washington, DC into a parking lot.
<2> i dont like all the hardware manufacturing going on IN china
<2> i support hardware manufacturing in the USA only
<3> why
<2> and i think others need to rethink their goals
<3> aren't americans lazy bums
<2> chen`chen are you dumb or just not following along
<1> Iraq couldn't turn Iraq into a parking lot even if we supplied the asphaly.
<0> we don't manufacture anything anymore
<2> chen`chen no they aren't
<1> er, asphalt
<4> usa outsources
<0> chen`chen: is that why the US has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the world?
<0> because we're so lazy?
<0> europeans, now *they're* lazy
<1> We're good at delegation ;)
<2> rmah we still produce goods
<2> the problem is cheap manufacturering in other companies is... like candy to some people
<2> they're tempted
<0> not laptops or hard drives, those are made in taiwan :-)
<1> Funny side note, the country with the highest per-capita income, by far, is Vatican City. Shows you where the money goes.
<3> yeah my bad, europeans. frenchs asks for 5day week, 7hour work ?
<2> the problem is becomming too tempted
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