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<0> the manager that was itnerving you
<0> coulda give you diff vendor
<0> they dont work with just 1
<1> ....
<1> i know ..
<1> but i didnt even know how to get into lockheed martin's door..
<0> they'd give you another authorized vendor and that's it
<0> you couldn't call the person who was interv u?
<1> nope
<1> they lock you into a contract
<0> or HR that sent you the offer?
<1> see - i cang to gowrk for lockheed
<1> they speciifacly stated that i cant work for any company they even "submit" my resume too
<1> for like 1-2 years
<0> wow
<2> you usually have to know someone you worked with at LM (if you were military), or be a direct referal or meet them at a Govt jobfair
<0> how's that?
<1> i dunno know
<2> no other way to get in without a recruiter
<0> yuo were blacklisted?
<1> i dont know anybody to challenge the legality of it
<1> umm
<1> no
<1> they have a contract
<1> that they force you to sign
<0> recruiters?
<1> that says "if we submit your resume to xyz company you cant work for them
<1> yeah
<1> RHI
<0> wow
<1> robert half technology
<0> oh ****
<0> i saw them on monster
<1> yes
<2> i hate robert half
<1> they are all over the place
<0> trickery
<1> its bs
<1> and im sick of it
<1> the dude
<2> eforce and kforce are just as big of whores
<0> well it makes sense
<1> literaly got into a fight with me
<1> when i turned the offer down
<0> well yea you wasted LHM time?
<2> he lost 2500$ commission plus a % of your billable rate
<1> heh
<0> it's like you go into a shoe store
<0> you try out all shoes
<1> ehhh
<0> and don't by anything
<1> a) no thats not it
<1> and b) thats not what thge argument was about
<1> ;)
<1> he wnated me to take the job
<0> what position?
<1> because the person that was next in line
<1> was probably charging twice what i had said
<0> yea because you undersold youself
<1> awhatever they make that i dont make
<1> they keep
<1> yeah
<1> and i let myself be pushed
<0> why couldnt you tell them to raise?
<1> i cant work with recruiters
<1> cuz i am eaisly pushed
<1> lol
<1> thats my biggest problem.
<0> i don't get it
<0> usually, you start with like 60 an hour
<1> its a character flaw of mine :)
<1> heh
<0> and then work down
<1> see i made the msitake of saying 30-40 ;)
<0> if you cant' get a job
<0> by the way
<0> when you say 30-40 they think 30
<0> when you say 50k+ they think 50k not 55k not 60k
<1> yeah
<0> ranges are gay
<1> lesson learned
<1> i dont think im going to touch recruiters unless i get desparate doing myown ****
<0> dude atleast they got you the interview
<1> yeah
<1> i aced the interview
<1> but its not difficult to ace those interviews
<2> i base companies off of how they respond to my range
<1> u just ogtta know ur ****
<2> if they lowball the range, i tell them not to be so cheap and dont talk to them
<1> ermm actually
<1> know u gotta know how to talk
<1> lol
<2> if they go more than the range, i know they will be a good company
<0> they should give an offer w/o asking range
<1> uimm
<2> no
<0> then you work with that offer
<0> wtf
<1> thats all these dudes doo
<1> all these stupid recruiters do is ask what range you are in
<2> their offer is a contract.. legally binding
<1> then they end up being at the minimum or 5 -10 bucks below that
<2> so they want a set rate on it
<1> im ****ing sick of it
<1> i told the dude off finally
<0> arrakis
<0> why didn't you say
<1> well actually i told his partner off
<0> but yo
<0> if you said 30-40
<0> then you'd be glad to receive 30-40? or no?
<0> why weren't you happy with it
<1> ....
<1> because they took it at the minimum
<0> because you found out it coulda been more? :)
<1> and then they dropped it
<1> no
<1> they ****ing dropped it
<1> and stated
<0> to what
<1> it was because "i had no degree"
<3> hah
<3> :(
<0> yea they tried to hussle you
<1> which is a complete and utter ****ing lie
<2> the company i am with, i got more than my range. then when moved to a new position, i tested the CFO. I said "I want more money, but Ill let you decide what im worth to you"
<1> and people that ****ing mess with me like that
<1> ****ing hate it
<1> its one thing to lie
<2> 20k raise ;P
<1> but that was beyond lies
<1> and then
<1> the argument that went on afterwards
<0> jarett: what are you at nwo?
<1> oh that just ****ing pissed me off more
<2> nwo?
<0> now
<2> im at enough ;)
<0> arrakis: why did it piss you off? it's business
<0> why would you take it personal
<1> because i'm a different type of person
<0> you are the one trying to find a job
<0> yo uhave to play along
<2> just got another raise last month after my annual review
<1> nooooo
<1> thats the problem
<1> i'm not that desparate
<1> and the worst part
<0> what do you do now?
<1> is i dont care that much
<2> Recruiters are whores. they cannot be trusted. they are an evil you need to deal with for a major company.. or you just have to meet someone
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