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<0> hmm.. hope AMD can steer ATI back on track
<0> I'd hate to have to buy nvidia
<0> since they can integrate the video processing with cpu more efficiently, hopefully there'll be more of an incentive to maintain an open source driver
<1> i believe in and hope for nothing
<2> that's sad
<1> yeah, well, i'm a sad little man and i'll die alone. the stench will be great.
<1> however, i shal never be dissapointed =]
<0> seriously, all gfx cards have done lately, is turn computers into overpriced windows-only videogames
<0> since the gfx-chip is basically becoming a separate cpu, they want to keep the software in the driver stack secret
<0> what if someone ported that stack to x86 or arm?
<0> that would mean all your 3d games would run on your second cpu, or on an embedded xscale add-on board
<0> and when not playing games, the hardware is still useful
<3> .
<4> morning
<5> Morning.
<6> evening



<4> 1h 15mins to carmageddon *live* :P
<5> nous: there?
<6> nour is needs her rest
<6> nous too
<5> .
<5> noir.
<7> Hi, im getting Relay
<7> error 554 on one email account but other email accounts on the same
<7> domain are working?
<7> Any ideas? |:
<5> Yeah
<5> your mailserver is not configured properly.
<7> Meh
<7> Must be the smtp server rejecting that boxes ip
<5> SuperBOB: OMG I CANT SEND MAIL TELL ME WHAT IS WROGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
<5> SuperBOB: Ask nonspecific questions and get nonspecific answers.
<8> Right .. this is a last resort .. Im stuck with this bloody spam******in that seems to be broken. Marking emailheaders, it sets hits=? and required=? ... I have no clue to what might be broken, as it's not setting the required value, even though I have it defined in the local.cf
<9> How do I list my pids again?
<9> Firefox is frozen.
<9> killall firefox doesn't work
<9> It's been a while since I was on this laptop.
<8> what does pidof firefox say ?
<8> "pidof firefox"
<10> try killall -9 firefox
<9> (blank)
<4> does somebody have any ideas why my pc speaker is not working anymore with 2.4.x kernel?
<9> Doesn't work.
<5> er
<8> merp, "ps aux | grep firefox | grep -v grep"
<5> There are lots of reasons why that could happen jack-home
<5> However, I am curious as to why you see it as a problem? The PC-speaker is a ****ing pain in the h***.
<5> the ***.
<4> gammy: is there an option for pc speaker in 2.4.x? actualy i'm looking for that one and it's no there(i can't find it)
<4> gammy: i know it's in 2.6.x line, but in 2.4.x???
<5> merp: firefox-bin is the binary for firefox. 'firefox' is just the script which executes it.
<9> Firefox-bin
<9> :)
<9> That worked.
<9> Thanks.
<5> Sure.
<5> jack-home: They modified a lot of things in 2.6. Uh. Snoop around.
<5> jack-home: But seriously - who cares? Heh
<4> gammy: but i want my pc speaker bell back! :(
<5> I just don't remember man.
<4> yeah, me neither :(
<4> gammy: btw do you have a drivers licence?
<5> I bet the only difference is the default OFF :).
<5> jack-home: No.
<4> gammy: ok ... it seems i won't have it too :)
<4> btw i disconnected pc speaker during hdd swap, so it works now ;)
<5> jack-home: The pc speaker should be accessible with either 0x00004B30 or 0x00004B2F after opening a tty
<5> jack-home: I think 0x00004B30 is more common
<5> jack-home: Ah
<5> heh
<5> fool.
<5> :D
<4> ok, i'm ashamed ;)
<4> gammy: btw driving is pain in the *** ... i want to give it up :(
<4> gammy: well, no problem riding a bike(motorcycle), but car ... ugh :|
<11> m0o



<12> hmm, is penny arcade still down?
<0> someone know if there are any hardcoded #defines in gcc for platform type?
<0> like using #ifdef WIN32 or #ifdef POSIX
<12> not that I'm aware of, I use -D when compiling
<0> (those aren't defined)
<0> mogi: I see
<0> I know mingw32 puts __MINGW32__
<0> but that's hardly what I'm looking for ;P
<12> I think most people rely on automake
<12> er, autoconf
<0> heh.. autoconf for this app that consists of like 300 lines
<12> well, dump in a makefile and have them uncomment the defines they need
<0> yeah, I did a OPTIONS=-Wall -D UNIX
<0> just wanting to get rid of that.. you know.. to avoid a bunch unnecessary CVS commits
<12> what do you need CVS commits for?
<0> mogi: if someone edits the Makefile on windows
<12> why would they need to recommit it?
<0> then someone else on linux.. faster than you can say cream pie there'll be 20 commits for this
<12> ok, well, why are you using CVS for 300 lines of code?
<0> mogi: it's part of a major project
<0> why not?
<12> does the major project use autoconf?
<0> no
<12> somewhere there should be a master makefile with all the defines needed
<0> this is the only one that needed platform specific code
<12> you could write the platform detection into the makefile
<0> hmm.. yeah I've done that before
<0> can't remember which one..
<0> something that actually never failed
<12> you could grab the platform detection code from autoconf, add it into the makefile, and go from there
<12> it is usually just a small C app it compiles on the fly and runs, grabs the outputs, and evaluates
<0> ah, here it is
<0> ifneq ($(windir),) BINDIR=winbin/
<0> endif
<12> that isn't too bad :)
<12> I never have to deal with windows compatibility
<12> thank god!
<0> hehe..
<0> in most cases you don't have to thanks to mingw32
<0> and you can do runtime checks in order to avoid *nix specific features
<0> but in this case, I'm reading windows registry
<12> ug, the registry, great idea, horrible implementation
<0> it would be a great idea if they made it so it would be "normal" that users administer its contents
<13> you're crazy
<12> well, it lacks structure
<0> and therefore quotas, permissions etc. would have to apply
<12> it is a rats nest of **** that software tosses in there, and there is no documentation for the entries
<0> yes, exactly, things shouldn't be named HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
<12> I mean, just look at the Microsoft entries, there is so much **** in there, not to mention redundant entries in LOCAL_MACHINE as well as CURRENT_USER
<0> I believe that things like the registry are sure to die out soon, but filesystems will become more and more similar to them ;P
<12> I wish they would have seen the problems in win95 and fixed it up before 98
<0> like, how reiser4 can use a different strategy for small files
<0> it's practically the same thing as a registry
<0> or web coders use rdb for just about any variable storage
<0> although they usually structure it well
<12> then you have your XML-solves-every-problem people
<0> mogi: that's my company ;P
<12> XML is great for some things
<12> I used it to write a user manual last year
<12> although, I'm thinking about learning TeX
<0> docbook?
<12> yeah, I used docbook
<0> I recently started practicing docbook
<12> docbook-xsl, doclifter, dtd files, fop, htmldoc, and xmlto
<0> we haven't used it here yet
<0> they generate html direct ;P
<12> I use mostly xsltproc and fop
<0> so the xsl looks horrible
<12> I generate TXT, PS, PDF, and multiple types of HTML from a single set of XML files
<12> I was lazy and used TLDP's xsl
<12> I didn't/don't have time to learn XSL
<0> I've done too much xslt for it to be healthy
<0> I hate xslt to be honest
<0> I'd rather use any of the other xml translation languages


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