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<0> remind me how I check
<1> arp
<0> mogi: what exactly is it I am looking for.
<1> check the mac address registered for .1.4
<0> but..how.
<0> I can't connect to it.
<0> the 'real' one I mean.
<1> connect via a different machine then
<0> what.
<0> You want me to check the arp of 1.4 on an other machine
<0> then what?
<1> on the laptop type 'arp'
<1> see if it has the correct MAC listed for .1.4
<0> 1.4 isn't listed.
<1> that's... odd
<0> Why is it odd.
<1> if it thinks it is connected, it should have an arp record for it
<0> nope.
<0> check this.
<0> mogi: www.pulia.nu/tmp/login_afrodite.txt
<0> note I'm connecting FROM afrodite(.1.11) to 1.4, login and turn up on afrodite(1.11), do a 'w', and it states I'm connected from .1.4
<1> and it is only .1.4 this happens with?
<0> Yes.
<0> only on wifi. on this laptop. to 1.4. in linux.
<1> no clue man
<0> Isn't it ****ED UP?
<0> heh
<0> Oh well I should reinstall soon anyway
<0> just for the hell of it.
<1> install debian, I'm going to :)
<0> nah.
<0> either slackware or gentoo.
<2> asdlfjasdljad;sljasd;ljfads
<3> debian is so outdated..
<2> mother****ing ****
<1> metafor: how so?
<3> well, at least the stable one
<2> heh
<1> not any more outdated than Slackware is
<2> and slackware is not.
<4> Try using Debian Testing.. You get updated packages all the time, and they work well.
<5> - stable is supposed to be conservative
<4> I have used an up to date testing system for a good while with no problems.
<1> I plan to install etch
<4> Anyhoo, etch is going stable soon
<5> everyone rns -testing, just don't run it on a system if you don't want to upgrade all the time
<5> s/rns/runs
<4> resfilter, Really? I upgrade all the time but I don't see the problem not doing it so often
<3> mogi, are you saying sarge is updated?
<1> define updated?
<5> in my experience, most of the bugs in packages are due to newer features
<5> at least when it comes to -stable vs -testing in debian
<3> sarge is like 1.5 years old. and so is the packages
<1> I'm perfectly content running a 2.4 kernel, in fact, I prefer it to a 2.6 kernel still
<5> if you run a -stable system, barely anything needs to be patched, you just miss out on a lot
<4> I haven't noticed any bugs
<1> just because something is old doesn't make it crap
<5> everything has bugs. in -stable, chances are they are obscure bugs, because the software has been in use for so long, most of them have been taken care of.
<1> do you buy a car every model year? just because the new model year has some stupid little feature the one you have doesn't?
<1> or maybe upgrade your PC every time a faster CPU is released
<5> 1000x more people run -stable than -current (which is where software is thrown into -testing from)
<5> you need large test groups in diverse situations to fully debug things
<5> tons of people run -testing too, so by the time that **** goes into -stable, it's pretty solid
<5> does that make sense?
<5> the stuff in -stable isn't old anyway, it's just an old version. problems still get fixed.
<1> I'm just suffering from old age, I want to apt-get everything, too lazy to hunt around and compile stuff, no time anymore
<4> I think I will always prefer testing, seeing how I don't notice any problems with my use and that I get up to date software
<3> well mogi, sarge is for example running a very old version of X (Xfree86)
<1> It seems as though I can apt-get just about anything on a debian setup
<1> metafor: yeah, so it is old? is it broken?
<5> all that said, i wouldn't run stable for desktop ****, unless it was a business workstation
<3> maybe not, but xorg is much more improved
<4> mogi, You can. And for what is not in Debian you can get other unoffical mirrors. Like I have apt mirrors for mplayer, opera and java which debian doesn't include
<4> It's awesome.
<1> tech-: debian doesn't include mplayer? odd, it is listed on distrowatch as being included
<3> tech, even so. Some of the main system programs are very outdated
<5> i use debian a lot, but there's still a place for systems which don't do things automatically
<3> *system base programs
<4> mogi, Hmmm, that's what I thought at least
<5> you will NEVER completely control apt and the debian package repositories
<1> resfilter: I plan to leave slackware on my server, I'm just sick of the desktop experience it is providing
<5> yeah i hear ya
<1> pat keeps changing his mind about that aspect
<5> too many dependancies in modern desktop software to make it worthwhile for many purposes
<1> drops gnome (no complaint about that), then starts adding every multimedia app under the sun
<4> mogi, What is wrong with the last bit?
<5> yeah, most of them **** too ;)
<1> there has got to be a half dozen audio players included by now
<4> Funny thing is that by switching to Debian you go from a dozen to a thousand.
<4> :)
<1> tech-: I'd rather have more applications to do different things than 6 apps that do 1 thing to choose from
<3> if you make your own packages, you get unlimited, tech.
<5> you always have a choice in slackware, but historically it was a really tight set of software
<1> he narrowed down the choice for desktop environments, then gave you a **** load of apps that do the same thing for playing music
<1> seems a bit lopsided
<5> i remember 5 years ago, it was one peice of software for one purpose, and they were all the best
<4> Aha, yeah, true. The only media player worth including is maybe one of the forks of xmms, xmms (it's still alive), and mplayer
<4> :)
<5> how's beep these days?
<1> beep as in bmp2?
<5> yeah
<4> I'm not glad for moving away from Slackware; it was always a great distro, it's not that, there's just things about it I had to move away from.
<1> gamkiller was bitching about that a few months ago, hehe
<5> the gtk2 xmms fork
<1> he had a hell of a time getting it working I think
<4> The last time I tried bmp/beep, I ran it on a MP3 that played perfectly in XMMS, you know how it played it? It played it in a very fast speed with this whiney noisy sound.. Totally broken, not that I tried fiddling with that, because it shouldn't get that broken anyway..
<0> bmp2 is ****,.
<5> haha there he is
<0> the only fork worth looking at is audacious
<0> and it's still CRAP
<4> I still like the original xmms, they still do regular updates to CVS
<0> it's moving along nicely though
<0> I use it at work
<4> I follow it, and debian testing does it too
<0> tech-: no they don't.
<0> xmms is no longer maintained.
<1> resfilter: there are entire distros geared for audio editing
<0> hell gentoo even dropped it.
<1> can't remember the name though
<5> i know, i've played with them
<0> xmms is broken in so many ways
<5> that's one thing i still follow very closely
<0> it'd be like trying to revive a stuffed dog
<4> gamkiller, Bull****!
<0> they even said so themselves
<0> everyone says so
<4> gamkiller, http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/xmms/ChangeLog?rev=1.695&content-type=text/plain
<0> ANYONE who's looked at the code says so.
<4> Surely it might be broken, but they still do regular updates.
<5> that makes it all better...
<0> ah yes
<0> great idea, updating something fundementally broken
<4> I don't care, it works for me, and they maintain it.
<0> Sat Jan 6 14:09:04 EET 2007 Matti Hmlinen <ccr@tnsp.org>
<0> * Input/vorbis/http.c, Input/mpg123/http.c: Use socklen_t as it should be used, instead of gint.
<0> wow, MAJOR fix
<0> look at all those changes
<0> it's all bull****
<0> what about fixing the memleaks
<4> I've seen a couple of feature additions I liked recently
<0> what about fixing the buffer scratch errors
<0> what about updating libmpg123
<1> resfilter: you tried AGNULA?
<0> anything USEFUL, you know?
<0> tech-: try audacious
<0> don't get me wrong, I love xmms too
<0> but it's old and crappy.
<4> gamkiller, I hope it isn't anything fancy. :)
<0> tech-: have a look!
<0> You'll like it
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