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<0> saw that coming
<0> but dont you want touch screen video and web surfing
<1> all Apple does is license technology, the only thing they can actually claim as theirs is OS X
<1> just look at the credits for iTunes
<1> everything is licensed
<0> anyone know how vista is doing btw?
<1> innovative my ***
<0> so far i've refused to even look at it until it's been out awhile
<1> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic <-- that is how vista is doing
<0> i did notice this
<0> dell forces vista with new pcs on launch...days later dell ceo gets replaced
<1> yeah, we are buying new computers from them at work, Vista is being forced
<1> going to piss off a lot of businesses



<2> Lannister: vista is out by today
<0> yeah actually we bought it locally because of that
<1> when XP was released, 2000 was still optional
<2> mogi: heh, you can tell people and phone makers :)
<0> we dont want to train people to use a new OS
<0> and have no good reason to change from XP to vista
<3> Lannister: enhanced productivity due to the innovative features only available on Vista (TM)!
<0> hahahahahaha
<3> come on now, haven't you heard the marketing bs?
<3> you should know better
<0> i am seriously wondering how this is effecting microsoft
<3> Vista will make your business more profitable
<0> nobody wants their crap anymore
<1> affect
<0> and they failed to successfully force us to buy it
<3> I personally have been hoping Vista will be another ME
<3> I also still choose win2k over XP
<0> watashi eigo yokunai ka
<1> Vista won't be another ME, unfortunately
<1> they put too much time into it, ME was a hasty release
<2> Asmodee`: i've read it and i laughed my *** off! :D
<2> s/i/i've
<1> I actually go with XP over 2k, since SP2
<2> mogi: ME was ****.
<1> 2k slows down significantly over time
<0> yeah xp does _work_ and everyone is used to it and there is no reason to switch to vista
<1> but Vista has Aero
<1> we all know eye candy (tm) is what makes the OS
<0> i wonder waht will happen to the pc industry as a whole now that everyone is slowly realizing they dont need vista or 3ghz to run a text editor and browse web pages
<1> you need 3GHz for youtube, because Adobe can't make a non-leaky flash plugin for linux, running my CPU to extremes
<0> heh
<1> every time I watch flash video, I have to close my browser immediately afterward
<1> I can hear my fans spin all the way up
<2> mogi: i have no problem with youtube on my P4@2.8GHz
<1> I run a P4 3.2
<2> mogi: Centrion neither
<1> flash gets the CPU hot, eats up cycles
<1> monitor your cpu temp next time
<1> pretty crazy
<3> I think the primary reason many computer enthusiasts are going to switch to Vista is not becaues they want to, but becasue the'll have to for the newest games
<2> well, i will do when i'm going to be at workstation.
<3> as for businesses, it will just be included probably as a requirement to their microsoft agreements
<3> meaning the agreements their resellers hvae
<1> many businesses are just now migrating to XP
<3> and anyone who doesnt know any better is just going to see the pretty interface
<1> a good IT will stay 1/2 step behind
<3> im no expert in IT, im an electronics designer and software eng myself... im not looking forward to doing testing with devices, drivers and so on with vista and my company hasnt cared about it until like last week
<2> hehe one of our network members is going to migrate on vista soon.
<2> this is more interesting > http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-41891-1.html
<2> i think that's the future look of home PC ... box



<2> damned parents! i wanted to watch movie with Harrison Ford and they didn't remind me it's on.
<3> dvr...
<1> haha, I just fired up a system I ordered here at work (I know the guys who we buy them from well), and they left a floppy with Zork on it in the drive
<0> maybe people are done buying new PCs for the most part
<0> i mean dell admits to reduced sales
<1> very possible, there has been a boo0m the last 3 or so years, as prices have plummeted
<1> most people are fine with what they have, from what Ihear from people I know
<4> i need a new one
<0> yah i am fine with what i have
<0> however i did just build a core2duo for my boss ...ya know to kiss ***
<0> its pretty fast
<0> i basically built her a gaming machine without the video card heh
<1> my machine at home is/was a gaming spec'd system, and I think it has all of maybe 4 hours of gaming clocked on it
<4> my only box is my 4 yr old laptop
<4> i really need a desktop, heh
<1> that reminds me, I have to look into all that I have to do if I start making money freelancing, as far as taxes and **** goes
<0> keep track of who turns in 1099s on you, file that as gross income
<0> keep track of expenses and file that as deductions
<0> pay 15% tax if your NET income is under 36k, pay 25% if its over
<1> they won't turn in a 1099
<1> there is no contract, I bill them
<0> doesnt matter they can still turn it in
<0> if they pay you over $600 they are legally required to
<0> just some dont but if they want to claim YOU as an expense they will
<0> and the cycle repeats
<1> umm
<1> they are my customer, not my employer
<1> that is like a business filing a 1099, because they had an electrician come in and do some work
<0> whats your point?
<0> no, they file 1099 for any person that they pay more than $600 for services
<1> such as an electrician
<0> they dont always do it but they are required by law to do so
<1> or a plumber
<0> such as anyone
<1> that seems... odd
<0> if i pay you $600 to build a website im supposed to file
<0> even if they dont turn in a 1099 they will likely still claim it as a cost
<0> and if they get audited they will probably glance at you too
<0> not that im perfect heh i didnt even file at all in 2005
<1> I know the whole $600+ I have to claim it as income thing, I don't plan to cheat that really
<1> I do plan to tailor my deductions to my benefit though
<0> as do we all
<0> i claimed my ex gf as a dependent because she really was
<1> how did she file then?
<0> even though she doesnt want me to, **** her
<0> i dont care
<0> they can audit me her address was at my house on her drivers license and she didnt work all year
<1> ah
<0> i want to know what happens if you dont file at all for a year
<0> i think i have 1099s turned in on me for like 10k
<0> for 2005
<0> didnt keep good records that year but i mean...10k
<0> theres no way i owe
<3> you're supposed to file (in the US) if you make over $800 (or maybe it's only $400 or so) even if you dont owe...
<2> mogi: no, i'm just pissed of by how many useless thing as PC is eats.
<3> you can get fined for it
<3> even if the government owes you and you dont file you can get fined
<2> mogi: i mean i'm just fine with my p4 and i will even sacrifice playing games than buying 1kW PS.
<2> s/many/much
<5> Hey all


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