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<0> is there a small file i can put on a thumb drive to initiate a kick start? it seems dumb to need the install cd to begin a kickstart
<1> how can i download rhel4 iso images without having to register with redhat?
<2> fc5
<2> but you wont get the official release without paying for it
<2> fedora core is the beta, some would say, for the model for rhel
<1> why does rh do that
<1> so stupid
<2> no its not
<2> they are a for profit company
<1> linux is supposed to be free!
<1> i understand if i have to pay for support
<2> they have the legal obligation to keep sales going to keep their employees paid
<2> its mostly the same product
<1> they get paid by the corporations/government that uses their product in an enterprise environment
<1> i just want to use it for home personal use
<2> fedora core 5
<1> but it's beta
<1> **** that
<2> heh
<2> rh has been beta for 20 years almost
<2> its a constant refinment
<1> does fc5 have lots of problems?
<2> no more then any other linux distro
<1> oh
<2> no more then rhel
<1> how much does rhel4 differ from fc5
<1> just stability?
<2> not too sure, but they are very close
<1> **** it
<1> i'll just get the rhel4 ws images from work
<2> youll be fine with fc5
<2> infact
<2> some of the things are newer then rhel4
<1> i understand that fc5 is more up-to-date than rhel4
<1> rhel4 is, well, for enterprise
<2> i dont like the installer, its buggy on 64bit machines
<1> fc5 is intended for home
<2> are you going to use it as a desktop or a server?
<1> desktop
<2> heh
<2> dont worry about it
<2> youll be fine with fc5
<1> i need to learn rhel4 though
<2> for work?
<1> yeah
<2> as desktop or as server?
<1> as a server at work
<1> i just wnat to become familiar with it at home
<2> then why install it as a desktop at home?
<2> linux desktop and linux server are 2 completely different things
<1> to become familiar with the interface
<2> fc5 serverices will run almost identically to rhel services
<2> most server admins dont install a GUI if its a dedicated server
<1> to me, xp home = fc5 and xp pro = rhel4 ws
<1> i understand that
<2> unless they learning some bloated way to enter in a few lines of commands
<2> lol
<2> your comparisons to XP are way off
<1> how
<2> windows and rh have 2 distinct purposes
<1> xp pro/rhel4ws = enterprise/corporate
<1> xp home/fc5 = home
<2> even windows 2003 server compared to rhel4
<1> their intended audience is what i'm talking about
<2> still distinct
<2> i run hybrid system at my work
<2> i would never run ASP.net apps on linux, and i would never run a public web server on windows
<1> how much you make at work
<2> you need to concentrate on your goals, then work out your plan of action before trying to run an enterprise server
<2> my income is not important
<1> sure it is
<2> I am an IT manager of a mortgage company
<2> 225 employees
<2> running 11 servers
<2> and all the desktops in 4 locations
<2> you can try to fit the business to the server
<2> but it wont work
<1> what desktops do you run
<2> you hafta fit the server to the business
<2> XP pro on most, i am running SUSE desktop on 4 of the computers
<1> is suse good
<1> i need to learn linux
<2> its easy to set up, and is great as a linux desktop
<1> and since we'll be running rhel3 at work, i thought i might as well run rhel at home
<2> suse is owned by Novel
<1> no ****?
<2> yep
<1> i thought suse was german
<2> 3 years now
<2> +
<2> but running a linux dewsktop is too muych trial and error to be really productive with it
<2> if you want to learn, then start by learning basic ****, like apache server, mysql admin
<1> i want to learn the ins and outs of rh
<2> ther are no ins and outs of redhat
<3> get white box
<1> hrm
<1> is debian still good
<2> linux, is a compliation of tons of small programs
<3> theres severeal rhel clones out there
<2> so what your really learning is a bunch of small programs, which you can learn on any system
<3> though, those programs aren't the same on every system ;)
<1> right
<2> look at the services you need the server to offer, then look how to install and admin each and every one of them
<1> that's easy
<2> start with your needs
<1> i want to learn rh in general though
<1> how drivers work
<2> then work your way around
<1> how programs work
<1> not the server part itself
<3> get one of the clones then
<2> yes, but as a server or as a desktop?
<3> or fedora
<1> **** it
<1> i'll use fedoraa
<2> lol
<2> fedora is fine
<3> centos too, another one
<2> eew
<1> i've heard of another one
<1> gnutu or something
<2> i prefer gentoo and debian over redhat
<2> but thats because of my specific needs
<1> what distro should i use for a toshiba laptop: 600mhz celeron, 6gb drive, 192mb ram, 8mb video mem
<3> any distro really
<3> just make sure you don't go to crazy with the desktop stuff
<2> indeed
<2> i wouldnt run a desktop on 192MBram and a 600 celery
<1> dman really?
<2> only server services
<3> or do it all console
<1> i need the laptop for internet access when i'm on travel
<3> not saying you can't have a desktop or anything
<2> use live CD
<2> run from cdrom drive
<3> just keep it small on the install
<2> can use basic **** all day long
<1> KDE should be fine, right
<2> and wont **** with the hard drive
<2> kde vs gnome is personal preference
<3> you probably will want to run a light windowing system
<3> I'd suggest gnome or fluxbox
<1> wtf, you can't have mp3s/mpeg/adobe on fc5?
<3> you have to install the software seperately
<1> oh
<3> due to licen$ing
<2> yeah
<2> there are tons of players out there
<3> Dr-Lol, where you form?
<2> California
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