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<0> well, apparently redhat doesn't think so, since it's installed by default on every redhat system.
<0> timofonic: ask him.
<0> we are not djb.
<0> we cannot speak for djb
<1> we are djb. resistance is futile.
<2> I suspect *a lot* that qmail has internal hacks for companies like yahoo, but of course they will not share that code with others...
<0> I am kitchen of djb. Prepare for ***imilation
<1> internal hacks?
<0> timofonic: yes, yahoo is not using stock qmail, that much is readily apparent
<2> Then corporations are benefited and smaller users are ****ed with always the same code and a lot of small hacks for it
<0> timofonic: then don't use it.
<0> this is not the forum for debating djb's license or whether or not you like that qmail hasn't been updated since 1998
<2> kitchen: No, I mean about... why not an active development instead only one version and a lot of hacks for it for new features?
<2> Ok
<0> we have no control over what djb does, so debating what he does/doesn't do is futile.
<1> the beautiful thing is that qmail is opensource
<0> now, if you want djb to update, you could start by sending him a donation with a "please release qmail 2.0" note attached/
<1> so you can take it and fix it yourself
<2> Not so OPEN
<1> you can download the source, no?
<0> timofonic: source available.
<0> call it what you will.
<2> olus: You can't so a fork, only having patchs for it
<2> olus: so=do
<1> what?
<0> again, this is NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS LICENSING
<2> Ok
<1> you can re-write qmail to be whatever you want it to be
<2> It's like reinventing the whell
<0> timofonic: then don't use it.
<1> not reinventing
<1> I didn't say write it from scratch
<1> jsut fix whatever you think is wrong with it
<2> kitchen: I like it, but is not perfect in many ways. But of course if in the future there are something even better, people will use it
<2> End of non-sense discussion
<1> heh
<1> nonsense, in your opinion
<2> olus: Yes, but you can't distribute that source directly, only patches
<1> why do you want to distribute it?
<2> That's weird, he don't want hacks but qmail is not updated since years
<1> who?
<3> nice
<1> haha
<1> what a tool
<0> it's like
<0> STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE
<1> [19:12:12] <2> You are evil, he banned me because of you..
<0> but instead he went and got a baseball bat
<1> I love how I get blamed...
<0> 19:13:21 [msg(timofonic)] no, i banned you because you woudln't shut the **** up
<0> 19:13:42 -!- timofonic ~timofonic@87.223.129.90 is messaging you, and you have umode +g.
<1> [19:13:51] <2> I was joking, but your reply ****s
<1> damn :(
<1> it's not bad enough that he felt comfortable enough to attempt to joke around with me via msg
<1> but now I got owned
<0> uh oh.
<1> you should add <2> pkgsrc is not pre-packaged exactly, gets the source and compiles it to !crazy
<1> or completely ignore me
<1> you're choice!
<0> "your"
<0> !
<1> your*
<1> hehe, no way man
<1> you ARE choice
<1> Grade A
<0> hrm.
<0> I think I'm going to write a virtual mail management package in ruby.
<3> hi
<0> hi
<3> sup bro
<1> what is so great about ruby?
<1> is it like the new perl?
<4> ask kitchen
<1> I'm asking
<4> well dont
<1> you just told me to
<4> did not
<1> [08:34:48] <4> ask kitchen
<5> Somone nows what the control-panel-toaster-0.5 package in qmailtoaster is ?
<6> hi
<7> high
<4> lemme ask you soemthing
<4> if you have servers in 2 locations that are replicating content
<4> and one site goes down
<4> and you need to cut over dns so that traffic goes to the backup site
<4> and you do control the DNS
<1> yeah
<4> what would be a good way to auto-failover the dns
<4> can do a simple script
<4> was wondering if there was a more standard solution
<7> nah
<7> it's all custom
<7> either do it customly, or buy a commercial product (which is custom too, but some1 else made it, and you pay for it)
<1> I dunno, might be better to use a load-balancer
<1> some of them automatically stop sending to the down host
<1> others you can just easily disable the downed host
<1> and there are freeware packages
<1> that's what we do
<1> initially we used some freeware pkg running on freebsd (or maybe linux, I can't recall), but then we got some money and invested in a hardware load-balancer from F5
<7> heh F5
<7> :)
<7> refresh button ;)
<1> hehe
<1> I get them mixed up
<1> the company and the product
<1> one is F5 and one is BigIP
<8> chaps, I've come here with my cap in hand
<8> I've hit a problem with an existing mail server
<8> I've got an LWQ box + vpopmail thats been running well for about 2 years
<8> recently someone who has been trying to send me messages got a load of bounces back
<8> I thought nothing of it as mail was getting through to me no problem from everyone else
<8> however, I've started to investigate more
<8> and I'm getting time outs from port 25 on my mail server
<8> even when connected from localhost
<8> if I do an EHLO $domain
<8> and sit and wait for about 5 minutes
<9> do you use rbl servers?
<8> I start to get a response
<8> Shurick yes, I do, however I don't believe this to be the problem due to EHLO from localhost taking AGES to response
<8> respond
<9> strace/truss tcpserver process that listens on tcp/25
<8> but I'm open to all issues
<8> (just downloading strace now)
<9> so find out on what system call it stops
<7> whats the ip of your server mooky ?
<8> I'm getting 0 warnings or errors
<8> 81.138.64.234
<8> hit me
<8> its been working well for well over a year
<7> i see what you meen
<9> well, connected almost immediately
<8> there is no load on the box at all
<7> connected, but no 220 welcome yet
<8> yexactly
<8> connects fine
<9> but no 220 response
<8> but the time taken for a EHLO is terrible
<7> paste the tcpserver line from /service/qmail-smtpd/run
<8> but - at the same time mail is still coming in without issue
<9> on pasteme.com
<8> I really don't understand whats going on
<7> finally got 200 welcome
<8> pasteme is down, I'll use pastebin..com
<7> ehlo blah responded 0sec
<8> http://pastebin.com/546955
<9> ok
<8> deepdown mega slow huh
<9> comment out lines from 23 to 27
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