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<0> Gambit-: wxPython but.. I do like PyQt better API-wise to be honest
<1> yeah but there's no version of qt for windows for pyqt3 that I can find to download :(
<1> so i have to use the snapshot of pyqt4, which is a little scary :|
<0> Gambit-: Exactly what I found too, I was hoping they'd got that sorted out by now
<1> well no, there /will/ be no eval version 3 afaik, it's all onto 4 now.
<0> Gambit-: Sounds scary for a production app ;)
<0> Gambit-: I see
<1> yeah well it's basically a wrapper, not really a library, so it's not quite as terror inducing as it would be if it was, say, qt itself.
<0> Gambit-: Yeah, only thing I'm worried about is the PyQt coders somehow made a bug that created objects that point to eachother.. immortal objects
<0> Gambit-: if the app ran 24/7 for a long time that could be a prob
<0> memory leaks ain't good
<1> they ain't but my app isn't, so I can get away with pretty nasty things like that
<2> why python when perl can do oo
<3> Why drink water when urine is liquid
<2> what?1
<4> Why drink water when we have piss
<3> Pujoll: Why (do something)[use->drink] (with a product)[python->water] when (another product)[perl->urine] (shares a trait)[can do oo -> is liquid].
<5> haha
<3> It's not really fair to call Perl urine, though. That's insulting urine.
<5> urine serves a purpose, it rids the body of waste
<5> but seriously, in particular Perl's OO is seriously hacked on after the fact
<6> haha, nice hund
<6> I really like the break down
<6> though its hard to imagine it was required.. perl programmers
<2> but xihr
<2> perl is OO
<2> and python is just OO
<2> so perl >= python
<6> <@xihr> but seriously, in particular Perl's OO is seriously hacked on after the fact
<6> Perl wasn't designed with OO in mind
<2> but pjs
<2> why python when perl is oo and all the world uses perl for apps
<2> my teacher says oo is dead
<5> haha
<5> you're not making sense and repeating whatever retarded stuff you're hearing from zealots
<5> that isn't a really great way to make a logical argument
<2> perl runs apps
<2> python is just the oo part
<5> every language "runs apps" genius
<5> you apparently don't know anything about Python
<6> Pujoll, you are not very bright are you?
<5> so why are you here trolling?
<2> xihr, why am i what
<2> python has OO yes
<7> because clearly, in spite of that, we have nothing better to do than argue
<2> but perl runs all webapps
<2> and all python can be perl
<2> but not all perl can python
<5> you obviously don't know what you're talking about guy
<2> xihr, i am taking a cl***
<5> since you don't know anything about Python at all, why are you in #python arguing with people who do?
<2> on OO and procedural
<7> you'll have to explain what you mean by "all python can be perl"
<2> xirh i want your opinon
<5> maybe you should wait until you've actually learned something about it before spouting nonsense
<2> madewokhe, since perl is OO
<2> all python can be perl
<2> but perl has not OO
<2> no perl can not be python
<5> you are completely incoherent
<2> perl >= python
<5> it doesn't sound like you know anything about Perl, Python, OR OO
<7> I think he's talking about "not OO" like it's a programming paradigm
<5> makes your statements so far are completely nonsensical
<2> xihr, think. if python then perl but converse no
<7> which it isn't
<5> I know what a converse is, the problem is you haven't even formed a logical coherent argument
<6> pujoll, where did that "logic" come from? You aren't making much sense
<2> python can be made perl because both have OO
<2> perl has not OO too
<2> which cannot be python
<2> perl is bigger
<2> plus, perl has all webapps
<6> Pujoll, yes, perl is better. Go away now please
<5> "perl is OO" is wrong, "all python can be perl" is somewhere between wrong and useless, "but perl has not OO" is wrong/coherent, "no perl can not be python" is wrong, "perl >= python" is nonsensical, "perl is bigger" is nonsense, "perl is all webapps" is wrong
<5> you can take those wrong/incoherent statements and try to form an argument from them, but it won't be a very good one
<7> I think the key to understanding this is what is meant by "not OO"
<2> xihr, perl has not OO
<2> look at perl hello world
<2> =not oo
<2> but even python hello world is oo
<5> no it isn't
<7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_programming_language#Hello_world
<3> First of all, programs are OO, languages can only make it easier. An OO program written in Common Lisp is still OO when it has been translated into machine code.
<6> Pujoll, you have no clue what you are talking about. Honestly, you look very stupid.
<5> print "Hello, world" is a Python program without OO
<7> uh, wikipedia doesn't have hello world for python, but it's nearly identical
<7> but shorter
<2> all python is oo
<2> but perl is sometimes not
<5> no it isn't
<5> I just gave you an example that isn't
<6> Pujoll, not ALL python is OO. Pay attention dip ****
<5> print "Hello, world"
<7> is a perl string not an object?
<5> that is a completely valid Python program
<5> and it is clearly not OO
<2> python is 100% oo
<5> it is not
<6> lmao
<7> everything you use in python is an object, but that does not force you to use an OO style
<2> :\
<7> in perl, if I understand you correctly (I don't know anything about it), some things are objects and some are not, which makes the language inconsistent
<5> you are wrong
<7> that is a disadvantage imo
<2> xihr, i will ask my teacher
<2> but if python is not oo my book is wrong
<5> you can keep repeating the same wrong thing after being showed it's wrong, but we're going to get really tired of it really quick
<5> then get a new teacher and book
<2> i will
<3> Pujoll: Python allows you to write both OO and procedual, just like you can write both functional and imperative.
<2> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython2/
<2> first sentence says python is oo
<5> no it doesn't
<6> Wow, you really are stupid my friend
<5> try improving your reading comprehension
<5> "X is a tool for Y and Z" doesn't mean "Y is Z"
<2> if python is not OO what is perl
<5> OO is a programming style, not a thing that languages either are absolutely or aren't absolutely
<2> but i heard ruby is 100% oo roo
<2> i mean too
<5> what did I just say
<2> first sentence:
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_language
<5> what did I just say
<2> Ruby is a reflective, object-oriented programming language.
<2> it is OO lang
<2> is ruby lang or style
<5> that a language supports OO does not mean that under no circumstances can you do anything other than OO in it
<2> you siad OO is a programming style, not a thing that languages
<5> maybe you should wait to learn what OO *is*
<2> oo is props and methods
<5> because right now you're just playing word games with things you don't understand
<2> props and methods
<2> cl***es
<2> i know what it is
<2> and python is 100%
<2> and perl has more
<2> and all webapps
<2> it's better
<5> no it isn't
<5> no Python isn't
<2> i have to go now
<5> good
<2> this is the kind of channel where people don't know and just want to fight
<5> hahah
<5> you are a moron
<2> you are animal and just like to fight
<5> you have been told why you were and even given examples
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