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<0> Hello. I am going to build a web site that will allow users to enter stock trades and see statistics of their trading history. I have been running around like a chicken with my head cut off trying to find a suitable python web framework. Can someone please suggest an appropriate package? I will need user management, separation of "logic" and presentation, database interaction...
<1> i might get shot but i'd suggest php instead
<2> I have a IRC bot that I wrote/am writing, and I have the line:
<2> s.send("/join #holder\n")
<2> andrewk, it does connect, I ge tthe MOTD and everything, but I get this error
<2> irc.Prison.NET 421 PapaJorgio /join :Unknown command
<2> (My bot's name is papajorgio)
<2> andrewk, I don't understand why it is saying that /join is a unkowen command.
<3> the command in irc is join
<4> why are you talking to andrewk
<4> what you type in an IRC client is not the same thing as what gets transmitted around in the protocol
<4> look up in the IRC RFCs to get the full protocol
<2> Oh, I see
<2> xihr: The reason is I have nick completion on, and I typed and. And it completed the nick
<2> OKay, thank you xihr
<2> and
<2> Hmm
<2> I think that is why that happened
<2> Ohhh, could it be beacuse it is JOIN and not /join
<2> /JOIN*
<4> there are existing IRC libraries, you want to use one of them
<4> if you don't, then you want to read the RFCs to learn the protocol carefully before proceeding
<2> Thanks, I've figured it out.
<5> up-to-date RFCs regarding IRC? good luck finding any...
<6> There's IRC and there's IRC.
<3> uh, he's gone..
<4> accurate IRC RFCs have always been a problem, but there's a difference between learning about the undocumented stuff you need to do and not having any idea that you don't transmit
<4> "/join #X" in the actual protocol
<5> welll.
<6> No, it's not.
<6> No "/".
<4> that's what I'm saying
<4> not having any idea that you DON'T transmit that
<6> Oh, I read "is", not "in".
<4> i.e., he hadn't a clue about the basic elements of the IRC protocol
<6> I should go to bed.
<6> xihr: To his defense, the protocol is more than ugly.
<4> well it's not much of a defense because he hadn't even looked at it at all
<5> original irc protocol was pretty much a hack... and for some reason, people liked it.
<6> It's funny how anything IRC related starts out as newbie projects and are abandoned by the original authors once they've grown and don't want to rewrite everything.
<6> kirma: The IRC protocol today is a hack fixed by a ton of Post-IT notes and bubble gum. MacGyver would be proud.
<5> I know plenty of people that designed irc, ssh and linux, but that doesn't really make those things any better, at least when those things were in their infancy...
<4> well IRC isn't in its infancy so that isn't really an excuse
<6> kirma: The problem with IRC is that it has been designed by its code.
<5> well, irc is a protocol, and rather badly designed one... it just stuck for the matter of backwards compability
<5> it works reasonably well, though, as we can see...
<3> ...
<6> kirma: No, that's the other problem. It's not _a_ protocol, it's pretty much as many protocols as there are releases of different server variants.
<3> I haven't seen anything yet that works better for somewhat permanent group chat..
<3> hund: don't forget clients
<3> but the extensions to it generally don't cause problems for modern clients..
<5> hund: well, sure, I do agree. :I
<5> s/no/now/
<3> well in msn you have "conversations"
<3> which last everyone involved leaves
<5> something missing in that sentence... "until" ?
<3> yes
<3> on irc the channels theoretically last as long as the network, since even if they're destroyed they'll be created again on demand
<3> jabber can do that too it appears
<5> fortunately irc is *the* way to communicate, at least with most of people I know...
<3> but I haven't been able to get it to work with jabber :p
<5> friend also founded a site for images of .fi ircers... well, there are five million finns, he has 300k members at the moment, 200k registered members visiting daily :]
<6> MSN, Windows, IRC, Gnome, C++, etc all have two things in common: ****iness and momentum.
<5> :I
<3> what's wrong with irc?
<3> and gnome..
<5> gnome is a short guy with a beard and wants to hack you
<3> ...
<6> madewokhe: Gnome and C++ are projects starting out as "hey, others have done stuff like this, let me too", thus mixing the worst of everything.
<3> actually gnome is really tough to criticize since it's so hard to pin down exactly what it IS..
<3> and parts of it do ****
<6> Yet I find myself using MSN because some people are only reachable that way, Windows because it's the only OS that'll let me use games and VSTs, IRC because that's where people are and Gnome because I'm lazy.
<3> VSTs?
<6> Music stuff. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Studio_Technology
<5> hmmh. /me recalls he saw conan o'brien in helsinki last night. fortunately I was drunk enough not to remember it before this moment...
<7> Instead of having to type: python filename.py --- how do I just type filename.py
<7> (in linux)
<4> put '#!/usr/bin/env python' as the first line in the py file and make it executable
<4> and then make sure the file is in your PATH
<7> worked like a charm. ty. :)
<4> in the future you can ask stuff like that in #linuxhelp
<7> noted.
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