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<0> there are worse things than dying
<0> for instance, having one of your children die
<0> or losing your penis
<0> lol
<1> having one of your children die gets you a free room for your cactus collection
<0> the ***hole side of me is laughing, the father side is crying.. You sir are a genius
<2> wow
<2> It's not cr*** if you involve cacti.
<3> it's just plain cl***y
<4> lo ?
<4> anyone here know how I can get some pyGTK code to loop?
<4> if I put a white(1): and some code in my program the gui doesn't load :(
<5> do you ever call gtk.main() ?
<3> GUIs are event driven, so if you hog the CPU they won't work
<3> you need to either make your looping code event based or put it in a separate thread
<5> or make it return control to the main loop every once in a while, ***uming it's being called from gtk
<3> that would be making it event based :-)
<5> uh, what?
<2> unregulated loops are usually evidence of a poor design decision.
<2> not always, but often.
<3> what you were suggesting was consistent with the first suggestion I made
<3> making a while loop stop periodically and respond to GUI events to continue IS inherently making it event based
<5> I was saying make the loop return periodically
<3> and GUI events tell it when you can restart -- that's event based
<5> ok, fine
<3> I'm not being difficult, it really is the same thing :-)
<3> taking a loop and making it state or event based involves the same effort
<3> except when you have coroutines or continuations ...
<5> yay for coroutines
<3> Python's generators would help the conversion, depending on the task
<5> it's pretty easy to make pygtk call a function all the time though :p
<6> hey, could someone give me a hand about how to access a value from the parent of a cl***? http://rafb.net/paste/results/p0QBHA26.html
<3> sure, getting called by the GUI framework isn't the task, it's unfolding your loop into a state-based system that's the (potentially) hard part
<3> Kallahar: those cl***es aren't related at all
<3> did you want clsB to be a subcl*** of clsA?
<6> hmm, I'm not sure, ... I want B to be able to access the values in A
<3> you can do it explicitly as: clsB.val
<6> would that get the correct parent if there are multiple clsB's defined in clsA?
<3> there is no "parent" relationship here
<6> hmm
<3> ra_b is just a local variable to clsA's __init__
<3> it goes away when __init__ exits
<6> okay, even using self. it still doesn't work though.
<3> if you want clsA to contain 1 or more instances of clsB, and then have those clsB instances access their containing clsA instance, then you're going to have manage references yourself
<3> because with self, it's an instance attribute -- the attribute still has no knowledge of what it's contained in
<3> you have to manage that yourself if that's what you want
<6> ahh, okay, I see
<3> also a = clsA doesn't do anything, that makes a reference to the cl***, it doesn't instantiate anything
<6> now, what if I want A has a value that changes, is there an easy way to have that value always also correct in B?
<3> if each B has a reference to A, it can delegate through it, yes
<6> okay, what should I search for for how to do that? :)
<3> just have clsB take an argument that is an instance of a and save it in its attributes
<6> oh, okay, that won't p*** by value?
<3> nothing is p***ed by value in Python
<6> ahh, okay.
<6> I'll keep plugging away at it, thanks for the clarifications :)
<6> woo, it worked :)
<7> what would be an easy way to subtract the current time from a given absolute future date/time
<7> and get a result in days/hours/minutes etc
<8> convert time into epoch
<8> and do the arithmetic in epoch
<8> then convert it back
<3> the datetime module lets you do arithmetic portably
<3> he wants a difference in times, not an offset from a particular time
<9> I love python
<9> I just thought I'd say that
<9> absolutely the best language I've ever coded in, and I've used many
<10> phusnikn: howdy
<9> does anyone know about how to become more active in the python community
<11> i like python but i have trouble because i'm used to php and how it has an intrinsic function for everything you can think of
<9> maybe help with coding or something
<10> phusnikn: i think metagon is mistaking me for you. You're the only nyc sysadmin in #c I can think of
<9> cuz I'd love to help further its success
<9> it's amazing
<9> what's funny is when I used the language years ago I always wondered whether or not it would pickup steam
<9> cuz at the time it was a little known language
<9> now it seems to be really getting somewhere in the developer community
<10> I think python's about 15 years old by now. :)
<10> But it didn't really catch on fire until 5-6 years ago, I'd say.
<9> I dunno how old it is, I started using it about 5 or 6 years ago
<9> yeah
<10> Bingo :)
<9> about the time it started catching fire
<9> haha
<10> I remember Linux Journal having an entire issue about Python once
<9> you know, I actually have a knack for that
<9> I always tend to pick up on things just as they are about to break it big
<10> And they had this naked pianist on the cover, as in the Monty Python skit, and there were hundreds of complaints.
<9> haha
<10> Probably all Americans. ;)
<8> SgtUnix, yeah hehe
<10> Americans are a diverse lot, though
<8> SgtUnix, long time how you been
<10> fine fine-o dude. Haven't seen you for a while
<8> yeah been mostly on freenode
<8> but float back to efnet every now and then
<10> hanging out with zhivago and noss?
<10> ;)
<9> haha
<9> americans are diverse, I know cuz I'm one of the non-mericans
<9> but
<9> a lot of us are morons
<9> I'll grant you that
<9> I'd maybe even go as far as to say most or the overwhelming majority
<9> it's cuz america is kind of, isolated, I dunno
<9> it's so full of itself
<10> I keep hearing that from americans on IRC
<9> see, like where are you typing from?
<3> all generations are stupid -- including this one
<10> given the fact that a lot of clever things actually came from America, i'd say you guys weren't all lost :)
<3> Americans don't have a monopoly on stupidity
<10> exactly
<10> humans are evolving though. in 500 years we'll be a lot smarter.
<10> Although, still able to destroy ourselves completely.
<9> what really insults my intelligence is this so called "debate" on evolution
<3> humans are exactly as smart today as they were when they first showed on the planet
<10> oh yeah. Didn't people settle on this stuff in the mid 20th century? ;)
<9> I'd love to slay all the ignorant fools that think that evolution is some scientific hypothesis that some bozos cooked up to mess with our heads
<3> raw intelligence hasn't changed, just knowledge
<9> xihr: didn't earlier types of humans have smaller brains and such
<3> they weren't Homo sapiens
<3> i.e., they weren't human
<3> those were a different species than you
<9> well, technically we are homo sapien sapien
<10> xihr: Hm, yeah. I suppose raw intelligence takes a lot more time to change
<9> so
<9> if you wanna limit it to that, then yes
<9> but, I think other things might have been at least kinda human
<3> H. sapiens sapiens, you mean
<9> haha
<9> we are just cl***ifying things, there
<3> if you want to define things as human which weren't human, then the answer is yes
<9> maybe we haven't evolved in 500 years, I'll agree with that
<3> but that's not what biologists mean when they say "human"
<9> so I guess I can just leave it at that actually
<9> haha
<9> I think we might be using more of our brains now tho or something
<9> or maybe less =)
<10> it seems like some people are using their brains less, some people are using their brains more than any of their ancestors did.
<9> SgtUnix: you in Europe?
<9> cuz what I was about to say is I think America is unlike the rest of the world
<9> I don't know why Canada isn't like us, maybe because Britain was heavily involved with them for a long time
<9> and they have their french population, etc.
<9> but, I think America is unique because it is kind of isolated almost on all sides by people that are unlike its population makeup
<9> we are a true manufactured country
<9> and we have grown this country's concept
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