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<0> Wolfman never went political he just spun the records and did that crazy voice
<1> gloriae, be a good thing if it happens, there is/wqas a whole ecology and ecosyatem there at one time that the marsh arabs to use to use solely for -everything-
<2> Trees are fast
<3> i like a forested lot, not sure why people buy property in the country, wooded lot, come in and cut all the trees down
<4> trees consume resources too!
<3> that pisses me off
<5> pilgrim`, you seem to think that species diversity doesnt matter
<5> go ahead and chop away
<6> You know I grew up in near the forrest, there is a place along the oregon coast with miles an dmiles of dead trees, they were burned down.. By God.. 100s of 1000s of acres. Clear cut. Arguably had they thinned them out the fire may not have been as extensive..
<3> plenty of unforested lots for sale already
<0> i don't care what anyone says, trees make a sound when they hit the ground
<7> Linus I think there shoudl be troom int he world for damn fools yes
<5> free, that's bull****
<6> and if you want to see some of the densist forrests in the world go to Washington State
<0> and some people hear it
<7> having them make decisions though is not wise
<5> its timber cuts that create forest fire tinder
<7> no
<0> linus
<5> old growth forests don't have ground shrubs and brush
<6> Linus, thats bull**** ?
<0> the majority of cuts are not old growth
<5> precisely
<6> Whats bull**** that I Grew up near the forrest ?
<5> not anymore!
<3> mature forests dont normally have the underbrush
<5> not that part
<0> Linus
<4> oh bull$#!+ linus, you think there were no forest forest fires before there were humans cutting down trees? that's I G N O R A N C E
<3> they could have a ****load of pine needles though
<5> the part that thinning might prevfent fires
<1> `436Hemi, ahh but if your not there how can you know for sure that they do when your not there?
<7> I have timber workers in my family. or did till 1982
<0> there is more new growth in the USA now than any other time in history
<1> think on it hehe
<5> gloriae, plenty of fires
<6> Pilgrim knows where I grew up he knows. I dont tell other people exactly though they could guess..
<5> but they burned themselves out
<5> w/o human intervention
<6> And I dont knwo about the tillamook Burn in Oregon ?
<4> no, they don't, because the canopy blocks sunlight and the root systems outcompete many other plants
<0> there is larger trees now than any other time in history
<3> no
<0> thats a fact
<7> I live up the hills of Oregon. I know a weeeeeeee little bit about forests...and btw, so does Freetrade
<0> there is more m*** per tree in the USA than any other time
<7> hell I haev worked fireline on burns
<8> trees ****!
<1> `436Hemi, no be really bud think on that for a second man, back in the jurasic periods and triasic period trees took the piss when it came to height man
<6> Lightning fires which destroyed huge huge ****ing areas of forrest, And Washington State doesnt have extremely dense forrests ? All i can say is you have never been to centeral and western washingto
<0> mostly because of good thinning practices
<1> they dwarfed our tallest ones today
<3> trees nowadays are smaller
<4> I'm not against forests but I'm not going to get on Linus-'s mad bandwagon of ignorant ecological generalizations
<0> Nemes the oldest native grow forest is in the easter USA
<6> When Mt St Helens blew I got hte nicest fir lumber I have ever seen,.
<3> i think we cut all the biggest ones down
<0> its called the Adirondacks
<6> Old growth Beautiful lumber
<5> the canopy coverage of mautre forests prevents the growth of "junk" plants, shrubs, brush, etc that feed modern fires (alomg with countleess branches left behind by timber companies)
<6> which the volcanos took down and were salvaged
<0> it hold the largest amount of old growth forest in the world
<0> 13%
<1> `436Hemi, there were trees in the trisic period that grew taller than the manhatten skyline bud at some points
<1> were talking HUGE
<3> brazilian rain forest?
<0> and the majority of its trees?
<0> are under 2 feet tall
<0> hahahahhaa
<4> hey, careful there, some of those 'junk plants'
<5> take the mushroom
<0> god damn it
<6> Linus, In washington there are forrests so think you can barely walk thought them and at high noon in the summer its dark as can be,.. Also true in Oregon parts on montana and Idaho
<0> how am I 436 again
<6> And California
<9> man i hate that
<6> think = thick
<5> FreeTrade, imagine that!
<5> the way it used to be!
<10> aha
<10> The name of the American author in Bulgaria is
<10> Januarius Aloysius MacGahan
<10> LOLOL
<5> go to the redwood preserve in marin county and its a joke
<7> I would never let common sense, valid data, or accurate statistics influence my opinion
<6> Linus hahahahaha
<6> I am working there
<4> rotfl pilgrim`
<5> go to the one in comptche and there you will find the true forest
<6> Its so ****ing beautiful literally
<5> utterly silent
<5> not a single ground plant
<6> You call it a joke ?
<9> Gloriae, Linus was an extra in Lord of the Rings when it came to the giant trees"
<5> needles piled as high as grandma's feather bed
<6> I call it feeling like you are in a fairy tale its so magical
<4> this channel is frequently like a berkeley city council meeting
<5> FreeTrade, the one by mt tam?
<6> And its a small ****ing county which came from south america originally the real redwoods are further north
<5> that isn't a true mature redwood preserve
<11> lol speaking of forrests, or ones that we chop down
<4> is Linus- talking about Muir Woods or what?
<3> A 4,600-year-old Great Basin bristlecone pine in the White Mountains of California is the oldest known living tree.
<7> they have been trimming the forests in Norway since Vikings 1st leanred to build boats. and they are STILL doing so
<11> we saw a momma bear and her 2 cubs walkin down the street
<5> its got a few old trees here and there, but mostly stumps and new growth
<11> right here in the burbs
<6> Wait or did marin come from africa..
<5> yes muir woods ****s
<9> gloriae only on certain days
<6> its not part of the north american plates
<3> thats pretty old
<9> lie tuesdays, wednesday
<12> pilg: not at the rate they are in, say, Burma/Myanmar, Madagascar, or Brazil, though
<9> like
<7> bmc the BC pines are how we corolated Carbon 14 data
<6> it over geological time of millions and milliosn of years got here somehow, but htat has no relevance to this issue its just an interesting fact.
<7> Timur humm....so...is there some conclusion one could draw?
<5> FreeTrade, if you ever head north to mendo coast, take a detour off 128 back way to comptche
<9> pilgrim next question from him will be "I bet the government payed for it!"
<9> oh man
<12> pilg: cut back on the rate, nicht wahr
<5> you will stumble upon an small but absolutely prisitne virgin forest
<9> the guy downstairs is bbq'ing
<7> Timur rational forest conservation practices..
<5> i can see why the indians didn't venture ionto those redwood forests
<9> i am thinking i am going to pull out my fish pole and snatch his steak off the grill
<7> as we do, as Norway does
<6> linus, there are still trees 1000 years old up there in some places, and I have seen fir trees in oregon that cut you could lay 2 tall men across.
<5> they thought they were temples of death
<9> i should do it just for the laugh
<6> One of them which was one of the biggest in the world fell down in the last few years.
<12> pilg: indeed!
<5> free, a few here and there don't create a complete canopy
<6> By natural causes, 100%
<6> Linus, there are places of Washington I swear you cant even walk through
<7> Linus I have walked thru old growth in Cali OR WA and TN
<7> yes TN
<6> you would have to hack your way in with machetes and saws
<5> when the sunlight is all but blocked completely, you get a barren forest floor that's freaky but gorgeous
<7> there are some Poplar trees there that would make you drop jaw
<6> Linus Ive seen that a 1000 times growing up in the northwest
<9> FT, hahah not to mention Big foot might get you!
<9> seriously
<6> There are still places all around
<5> if theres no ground cover you can walk through any old growth forest cept maybe banyan ;)
<3> forestry would have been a cool field to get into
<9> you wouldn't catch me walking through Washington barefoot
<6> Eastern Oregon is desert, especially south eastern
<3> probably make good money
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