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<1> Kaliuna -- I quoted from the transcript
<0> screenfreeze
<2> FairTax - don't be a prick -- cause I will not tolerate that stuff tonight
<1> Kaliuna -- I would not go so far as to say that Bush wanted war from Day One in the White House
<2> AAA - no you didn't
<3> hahah
<4> (other than an unauthorized alien, as defined in section 1324a(h)(3) of this title) <<<
<5> i spread the crotch flu
<6> you know here on talk radio Mexicans that have come here legally are really really angry about this plan.. they are angry that they worked for years to come here, and these people are getting a free p*** again! Reagan gave amnesty and said that would handle the problem, then it was like 4 million illegals now it is 12 million.. in another 10 years or so it will be 20 million, and they will say the same thing, the economy demands it, thes
<7> Kaliuna - Its a bit late for that FairTax is already there
<8> Bootie, hell, I do anyw...er.....what the hell do you mean by that !!!
<9> JanetB: Yea
<9> JanetB: Because it boots them to the front of the line
<2> Boogy - ya - but I'm not in a good mood tonight - so elevated him to a term that I can and will use
<9> of EVERYONE else
<10> .
<11> Kaliuna: I'm sorry - but you're the one suggesting immigrants are carrying a plague of diseases.
<7> Kaliuna - snicker
<12> JanetB, of course... amnesty is a big slap in the face of anyone who FOLLOWED THE LAW
<1> w.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/29/AR2006032902057.html
<5> screw people who followed the la
<5> law
<6> people are only looking for a job, well you know what.. wanting a job is not a reason to get in here, most people wanting to come here, come to get away from dictatorships or are in fear of there lives....
<3> JanetB: I think they need to rethink this plan. Two grand is a lot.... fine them like $500
<2> FairTax - I did not say a plague, but several diseases that have been wiped out in the USA --
<9> They call it amnesty, I call it vote pandering
<4> US_Male they already pay people $2k to smuggle them across the border
<12> US-Male, the $2K is a scam anyway... the law is never intended to be enforced
<4> which is a crime i might add
<11> Kaliuna: in that case, lets ban all border crossing, can't risk importing those germs.. and internaitonal travel.. lets ground all planes!
<13> Janetb which is why the russian mafia is big in the USA
<3> $500 and mandatory community service
<6> US-Male.. I am not for any fine, I am for sending them back and those waiting legally to be allowed in
<2> Janet - I agree
<3> bmc: it's stil too much
<11> Kaliuna: in fact, lets put a big plastic bubble around the entire US.
<5> i say we should ban all human-to-human contact
<12> yes, they often pay the Coyotes more than $2k
<5> i mean we have the internet now
<5> who needs face-to-face time?
<4> the current senate bill calls for a fine
<4> not sure if it was $1k or $2k
<2> FairTax -- guess what - you travel internationally -- you DO have to be current on your shots (for various diseases)
<3> it's to expensive to send them all back -- let's make money instead of spending it
<3> *too
<9> How about using some of our defense budget on the borders?
<4> US_Male also calls for paying back taxes
<9> Like, a great deal more then we do now
<4> how many do you think will meet these qualifications?
<1> Kaliuna -- Bush just didn't want the war he got.
<14> Seamus Warning: This is a debate channel .. stop making posts solely designed to aggrivate and agitate.
<3> I favor them paying back taxes
<4> undergo an extensive background check
<12> bizzleth, makes sense... border security IS a national security issue
<4> and return to their home country and come here legally within 5 years
<15> canada's isn't exactly an airtight border either
<3> background check, fine, admit to guilt, pay a fine, OK
<9> panini`: indeed
<3> but 2 grand is a lot
<2> AAA -- that i agree he did not want war
<12> US-Male, it's a trivial amount
<15> tru, it's easier to get into central america than canada, but...
<16> 19:19:28 30/03/2006 LOG
<14> why is everyone dying?
<17> darn connection
<4> US_Male would the court consider yor financial situation when a crime calls for a specific fine?
<15> maybe both should be shored up
<3> even for me 2 grand is not trivial -- and I've been saving
<2> Janet -- connections are pits at times
<12> I would be more inclined to support such a bill if it was $10K
<14> janet are you usuing Norton Internet Security or Netgear wireless?
<3> 2K isn't trivial if you make $10/hour
<4> US_Male would a US citizen get that consideration?
<1> Kaliuna -- a brief war in Iraq would have long-term salutary consequences for the entire Middle Eas
<17> Norton
<9> Like I said, we spend lots of money protecting and securing the soverient of Iraq and Afghanistan, yet we fail to cover our own borders and protect our own country at home. It is very practical to be able to do BOTH
<3> bmc: that'sa silly question -- no US citizen can commit that crime
<12> US-Male, $2K is trivial if it means you're rich the rest of your life
<16> US they can and will pay 1k easily which is what i would make the fine.. Remember they pay 2k to come across, and I have watched them hire lawyers and spend money every year for 10 years to get legal
<4> US_Male im talking about your ability to pay a fine
<14> Janet is it Norton Anti Virus .. or Norton Internet Security?
<16> They want to be legal so bad they will jump to it
<4> US_Male would the court care if you couldnt afford it?
<3> panini`: I think the price wil be prohibitive to sales
<2> AAA -- it already has made a difference
<16> They will line up so fast it would blow you away
<12> that's WHY they pay the Coyotes MORE than that
<11> bizzleth: securing our borders w/o first addressing immigration is a death knell to the economy.
<3> we're selling theability to stay here -- let's set a price that maxmizes profit
<12> US-Male, sales of what?
<17> CometBaby.. it is the one you gave me.. not sure what one that is.. but you gave it to me abotu a month ago
<3> panini`: sales of "getting to stay here"
<2> FreeMrkts -- no they won't -- they didn't line up to get free visa status when they had the chance the first time around
<14> Janet .. I gave it to you?
<14> hmm
<17> yeah
<9> FairTax: It may be now. If it was corrected much ealier it wouldn't
<16> I know these people I used to work with them as a kid and as I said I managed them when a developer hired them every few years when I used to manage multi million dollar construction projects.
<3> we're selling the ability to stay here -- let's set a price that maximizes profit
<14> I am not asking about a firewall :)
<9> Politicians have let it get bad
<12> US-Male, I just proved you wrong
<17> ohh hehehe
<14> I am asking about anti virus
<9> and they're letting it get worse
<16> These guys want so bad to be legal they would cut off their finger for it.
<17> anti virus is APG
<4> they need to tighten border security first and foremost
<9> And the more bickering and pandering they do, the worse the border situation becomes
<2> AVG?
<14> okay .. you should be fine then :)
<17> AVG
<4> dont lob them together as a single issue, they are not
<3> panini`: well, no you haven't proved anything
<2> yup should be good Janet
<14> damn again?
<11> bmc: you cut off the border access and you strangle the economy.
<6> no that was the ghost me
<14> someone is killing those three
<11> bmc: dont kid yourself, the two ARE related right now
<4> FairTax nonsense
<4> people can cross legally
<12> US-Male, yes I sure did. I gave you a counterexample which disproves your claim.
<11> bmc: the illegals come and go dude, you want to trap them here?
<4> make it so they cant cross illegally
<3> if a guy spent all his cash on a coyote, he has little left
<4> FairTax they can leave through proper points of entry
<11> bmc: that implies you support letting them cross and work here, right?
<9> FairTax: Nah, trap them then deport them =)
<3> panini`:, well no, you did nothing of the kind
<4> FairTax legally, sure
<11> bmc: if not, you're hammering a nail in the coffin of our economy.
<14> Look .. there in a new internet exploit out there. Those of you who are dying like this .. change your internet connect to port 6668, instead of 6667.
<11> bmc: define legally.
<4> in accordance with law?
<4> isnt that was legal means?
<11> bmc: the current legal immigration system is broken.
<18> I bet a lot of people who want to come to America do not have access to documentation
<4> FairTax doesnt mean you can ignore current laws
<11> bmc: if you enforce the current system you are nuts.
<18> like their birth records, ID, ect
<12> if they will pay $X to a coyote, then they will happily pay $2X to the govt
<4> plenty of laws i see as stupid, unenforcable
<12> since it's guaranteed
<4> yet they are enforced everyday
<11> bmc: my granddaddy ignored prohibition, even made money doing it, he was vindicated - so will illegals.
<3> panini`: false, you ***ume they still have the money they saved for years for the coyote
<14> Janet .. do Alt+O .. the click on the Connect Tab .. then the Options tab. Type in 6668. Reconnect.
<3> which is now spent
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