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<0> When 50% of us lose our jobs, none of this matters.
<1> Twobar has 20 fags in his pack as we speak
<2> over 85% of landscaping workers in california, are illegal
<0> Janet, You dont get it do you
<3> heureaux, hmm... so you mean that somehow illegals find themselves here, in this country, and arre being forced to work for nothing at the beck and call of the whip ? I'd say you are grossly over exageratting the word 'slave'.
<4> FreeTrade, leave you keys in the car, no one has stolen it yet
<0> I just explained it and you got deafness
<5> FairTax.. they are not legally.. they broke the law to get here they do not deserve to be here
<0> Are you drunk to night ?
<6> it's all about Business owners making money....is what this is all about.
<2> they wont get amnesty
<0> God I hate reexplaining something
<1> Twobar is dead drunk
<0> These people here know ENGLISH
<2> might as well put that out of your minds
<5> FreeTrade.. I do not drink
<7> Twobar believes in God and goes to Church!!! Horrors!!!
<3> AAAman is stoned on love
<6> If california gets bombed by "Illegal" terrorists...I shall not shed a tear.
<0> they KNOW HOW ameircans want DISHES washed
<1> Twobar was first drunk
<0> They know how Americans Want a DITCH DUG
<3> Swigert believes in the freedom of the Bath House
<5> FreeTrade.. the most of them here do not know english either
<8> I use paper plates
<0> These are not skilless jobs
<0> they are low skill
<9> Twobar they are economic slaves here, at leat in Europe they are handled properly.
<0> but they are not skill less
<10> Janet: why do you care what language they speak?
<1> Twobar is reading my new book "My God"
<10> Janet: are you afraid you'll have to learn spanish someday? heh
<0> they dont speak english most illegals do speak some and work hard to learn it while they are here
<2> the bill theyre gonna p*** calls for a $1k-$2k fine, payment of back taxes, and extensive background check, and the requirement to leave and enter legally within 6 years
<3> heureaux, 'slave' means you have no choice. Illegals can stay , they can leave, they can work their way up, to some degree. They decided to come here of their own free will. There is nothing, absolutely nothing , of slavery in that equation.
<1> Translate Spanish into Chinese
<5> FreeTrade... well all I can tell you is here, they make little or no attempt
<2> even with the guest worker program
<10> Janet: boohoo, the evil brown people are coming to take away your english language, cry me a river.
<6> I say let them have the SW...California, Texas, NM, Arizona....
<2> they have to leave in 6 years
<0> if by magic you could replace the best workers in mexico with fat mexicans with visas, then you are not going to get the same people who produce so much wealth for thsi countryu
<2> there is going to be no 'fast-track' to citizenship
<8> that's a foolish law, illegal immigrants all have $2000 ?
<0> YOu wont be able to give them insturctions in english
<7> twobar believes in a higher being - called uh God. He is not a trustworthy person (Dude, there was a time when if you DIDN'T go to Church you were seen as suspect_
<9> hard work in America just gets you a hard life.
<6> let the SW speank only spanish....leave us Yankee states the **** alone.
<2> US_Male guess they wont be eligible then
<7> kaliuna goes to church and believes in God
<5> and I know that.. because I they live all around me and shop in my store all the time, and can not even speak to me... when they come in to order something
<0> you have to stop every 10 minutes and explain in spanglish or try to find an interpretor
<10> Janet: language is a skill, if they do not learn it, they will not have a competitive advantage.
<8> I don't think that law will change a thing
<10> Janet: thats part of the market at work.
<11> swiggy - I believe in God, not in churches
<2> US_Male it changes the law
<2> :P
<8> bmc, they can just do what they do right now
<2> yes, but the law will still be changed
<8> who wants to pay 2k fine ?
<10> those that learn english ought to do so to remain competitive and demand more salary, not because you p*** a law saying you must learn english to live here.
<9> Opportunity, however requires 'position'
<10> that .. is asinine.
<1> I stand here before the American people to tell you there is nothing wrong. Everything is great. There are no problems
<8> bmc: it's meaningless if it doesn't have an effect
<0> the ones here are trained, they know america, they know where oregon and idaho are, they know how to get there, they know english, they know the driving laws, they know what american standards are. Mexican work standards are not as high as american
<12> FairTax - Gads man
<7> kaliuna: doesn't matter - it makes you a dangerous radical who must be suppressed. of course, there was a time when the reverse was true
<2> US_Male im not sure if the change to a felony offense is in that same bill or not
<10> Boogyman: what?
<8> the only people affected are alreayd violating the law -- why would they care if you pas another law ???
<13> Wow, the borders are really getting bad =\
<2> but i bet people would be a little more upset with the government not enforcing the law for felonous offenses
<11> swiggy -- ohh but everyone knows I'm Ornery, ergo dangerous!
<7> Twobar2 is even more dangerous than Twobar
<12> <10> Janet: boohoo, the evil brown people are coming to take away your english language, cry me a river.
<8> people really need to stop and think here
<14> farking software
<13> And this amendment is crazy
<7> kali: I know...you scare me
<1> Iraq is the best war weve ever had
<13> "Let's give them all amnesty"
<10> Boogy: eh, im sick of these xenophobic people.
<2> US_Male people will not accept the government not enforcing it anymore
<6> fairtax is a sick ****
<0> US Male, Illegals pay $2000 to a coyote to come here.. They would gladly pay 2000 to get legal status, these people want to be legal sobad.. Only the bad ones dont and I want them to be taken back and tossed back over the line.
<8> "Oh you're breaking our laws by sneaking in, so we're going to p*** another law"
<6> sick ****s get ignored
<15> Two operator error
<8> meaningless
<12> Sounds like a good plan Yank
<13> The amendment doesn't exclude criminals
<6> he gone from my screen
<8> FT: no, I don't think most of illegals have 2 grand lying around
<10> the republican party is leaning to the far right now, the xenophobic right.
<2> US_Male coming into the country illegally is already a crime, being here illegally isnt is it?
<8> that is also true for most Anericans in general
<2> it would be a felony
<0> Also illegals come back and forth the border to american usually at least once a year and often twice, So they pay 2-4k a year and when they are legal the numbers of illegals drop because the same ones coming over and over again and again are no longer counted
<2> illegal entry is a crime
<13> As soon as you grant them citizenship, they bring over thier entire family
<8> most folks just don;t have a extra 2K
<16> http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=60421 - Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant
<2> there is no crime defining illegal aliens in the country
<10> bizzleth: great, more mouths to consume our goods and services, why is that bad?
<8> bmc: yeah, it is
<13> And this "No Latino Day"? WTF is this?
<16> Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown inside her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said.
<12> FairTax - Not a single person here has voiced any kind of fear of that which is foreign, thus your xenophobic charge is complete poo
<9> US_Male, they can work off the $2 grand at reasonable interest rates, though, no?
<2> US_Male which US statute?
<16> DU
<13> FairTax: No, more mouths to **** the social system dry
<0> So basically you count the same bodies 2-4 times which means that the true numbers of illegals are smaller than estimates because they are recounting the same people.
<8> *I* have an extra 2K sitting around, but most people don't
<15> Don't expect any ***istance from Mexico-with the millions of dollars being sent/wired back home by te illegals-big boost to local economy
<1> Guard the Borders--And Face Facts
<13> You realize 20% of our federal inmates are illegal's?
<17> wow .. finally got back online
<10> Boogy: janet hates that people don't speak her language, and yes - people have expressed xenophobic views in here not 30 minutes ago.
<8> bmc: tell me the statute that maks illegla immigraion "illegal"
<16> AMero
<1> we have modern technologies that East Germany never had: sophisticated sensors, unmanned surveillance drones, etc.
<2> US_Male google for illegal entry
<13> We pay about 2.5 billion a year or so to house those illegal inmates
<0> USMale, Mexicans save money like noone.. And they have a great support system other mexicans help them
<7> Twobar's dream career = Prophet of the Israelites
<16> bordersa are intentionally being left open
<10> Boogy: we had one guy talking about keeping america white, etc.
<8> bmc: google for yours
<0> they can pay a 1000 fine or a 2000 fine easy
<5> FairTax.. I do not hate people that do not speak english, thats a stupid statment
<12> FairTax - Janet I havent seen Janet express any hate, go look up xenophobe
<0> They make 500 a week
<16> they have cameras they spent billions on
<10> Janet: then why do you care if they don't speak english?
<16> 10 % are up and working
<0> The hard working ones.
<10> Janet: how is it any of YOUR business.
<18> FreeTrade, I am not sure about this., According to Senator Kyle, over 1/3 of the people in Federal (not state) prisons are illegal aliens. Furthermore, between 10 and 15% of the illegal aliens caught and deported have criminal records in the country from which they came.
<2> Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the US Code, "Improper Entry by Alien,"
<16> its all a ploy for open borders
<5> and apparently you were not listening to freetrade's and my conversation
<1> Instead, favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America's education system is not sufficiently supplying.
<19> the offical number of illegals is 12 mil, but the actual number is much higher
<0> Byll, Nothing related to any of this would change that
<8> FT: I dont think they have the cash - I'd gladly fill the gov pockets with that money if they did
<0> nothing
<2> US_Male there is no law for -being- here after entering illegally i can find
<0> Its not even relevant to this debate.
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