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<0> $10-12 is the most typical
<1> FreeTrade: I am a paleoliberal, part of the old right.
<2> hello Cry :)
<0> Its not cheap labor its unskilled labor
<3> weboh paleoidiot
<0> labor americans wont do
<3> a Buchananite
<1> FreeTrade: just think cheap labor all you want then.
<4> FairTax: it's not welfare...they simply won't be able to work a living wage on a 40-hr work week with the decent families that they have...we shouldn't be allowing them to come to get jobs that businesses would hire them at rates that would make them destitute
<2> weboh: labor is never cheap, it is paid at the market value it is worth.
<1> CryHavoc: don't slander me with that name. We had nothing to do with him.
<3> IamKing...they live 50 to a house anyways
<4> CryHavoc: and that's crazy
<3> 50 minimum wage paychecks - live like a IamKing
<3> they are used to it
<4> because I know those houses won't hold 50 normally
<3> they would manage
<0> The people who hate the immigrants the most are blacks because they compete with them for jobs which they dont, the problem in the black community is they dont have the education and work ethic in the ghettos that mexicans bring with them. This is also true of mexicans in the ghetto.. We should if anythign if we want to spend money wisely go through south central and pick up the illegals, there the supply exceeds the demand for
<1> FairTax: The market defines the cost of labor. The socialist market place has declared Mexican labor cheap. Try wording that again.
<0> Eboh, The old right always stood up for the mexicans so you are not the old right
<4> I mean I do know that they still have extended families that live together, but allow them to make at least a half-decent wage so that they can not be as so ****ing cramped in their homes
<5> illegals should sue the government for letting them live unsafely
<6> i dont hate them neccesarily, i just dont think its fair to make them suddenly legal with all said benifits when they have never paid into the system
<0> This is the new right, I am the old right, The Business Republican.
<6> when me and my family had to pay into all our lives
<4> that's one thing the Mexicans practice better than Americans more often than not...the family unit
<7> America is the ONLY country in the world who lets foreignors invade their country and they don't even need weapons. It's a trojan horse, America shall see.
<6> thats where they are different from the m*** immigration back in the early 20th century to me
<7> Where is foobar
<3> thay are ued to living like sardines...
<7> I mean Twofoo
<0> When the social conservs and the far right religious conservs came into the party they forgot that our party is primarily a pro buisness pro growth, pro economy, low tax party
<2> Numb: yes, fear the evil foreigners.
<7> Or whatever his name is.
<0> ANd ideally low spending party
<4> CryHavoc: yes, but they are coming here for jobs in hopes that they won't have to live like sardines :P
<1> FreeTrade: And would you define as the old right who did this. They were stabbing us in the back, and ignoring Bastiat's warnings about immigration.
<2> Numb: /o " She was cold as Ice ~~~ ~"
<0> Weboh how old are you ?
<3> errr something tells me this discussion is gonna get nasty soon....
<1> *and who would you define
<7> Fear the M***IVE whord of illegals. We do not even know these people or their culture, or what they talk about eating dinner.
<2> I don't need instructions to know how to ROCK.
<1> FreeTrade: my age isn't relevent here.
<0> My dad is 80 a republican and he remembers that illegals were welcomed when they were needed for labor of course all his life.
<2> Numb: odds are they talk about the same things we do; food, ***, money.
<7> They are MEXICANS and are proud of LATINO UNITED etc. They stick together, and hate gringo.
<5> Numb-Brrr: they talk about you
<0> WWeboh, Your age is absolutely relevant when you say you are the old right or old republican
<0> becaue the old party for I just said
<0> When the social conservs and the far right religious conservs came into the party they forgot that our party is primarily a pro buisness pro growth, pro economy, low tax party
<2> Numb: fear the black man. they hate whitey.
<4> hahahah
<0> Numbrrr, Demopgoguery your called
<7> I'm not afraid of the black man, Mexican's outnumber blacks now.
<7> Blacks dont like that.
<6> so basically.. if we legalize these 11 million illegals, then bam... my tax dollar is paying for everything they get for nothin
<0> Less than 1 % belong to any of those radical groups
<6> and that ****s
<2> Numb: you have an issue if whites are not the majority?
<2> Numb: what is you're afraid of?
<0> And most the ones who do are american citizens of mexican descent and they are a minority
<7> FairTax are you white?
<2> Numb: yep.
<1> FreeTrade: oh puhlease. There is nothing in cl***ical liberalism to support immigration, except Negro slavery at most. Why should we continue chattel slavery.
<7> Considering America was founded by White Christians' and their principles..yes I think it should stay that way. That's the way every other country is.
<7> Korean is for Koreans
<7> China is for Chinese
<0> Numb-Brrr, you are devoiced (Requested by CryHavoc - Reason: lets stop this before it starts )
<2> Numb: ah.. so you're a racist. got it.
<0> WebOh, I am about 50, I know the Republican Party since my grandaddy was a loyal republican when he farmed wheat and the drilled oil on his land in Oklahoma
<0> My granddaddy would be about 140
<3> sooner or later...those sorts trip
<0> since he was about 60 when he had my dad who is about 80
<3> numb-Brrr is a ****wipe
<0> Weboh, Republicans were always for labor for hire, we oppposed slavery from the beggining
<0> Our party was founded on the free soil party
<8> hey
<1> FreeTrade: Let me go off in a more important tangent. Why do old Mexicans dislike immigration and Mexico in general? Immigration is no longer a winning issue in the Latino community. explain it.
<0> Free soil free people
<0> hey swigert what were the 3 slogans of the free soil party ?
<0> Free Soil Free People and Free what ?
<0> there were 3 slogans
<8> FT: not quite - abolitionism was not a popular item in the 1850s. Instead, they opposed the expansion of slavery into the western territories.
<8> FT: Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men
<0> Swigert right, Thankyou!
<0> Swigert, but the party was founded by abolitionists, anti slavery folk
<1> I don't think there is any free trade in low-skilled immigration, and forced cheap labor.
<0> thats clear
<8> advocating abolitionism was like demanding an absolute end to aborition today
<0> Its a different question when you say were they willing to go to war with the south over it
<2> weboh: forced cheap labor? what is forced about?
<0> And they werent until they had no choice
<9> FreeTrade can we make the channel theme-music "Sheep" by pink floyd? =]
<8> FT: no not really - the REpublicans were founded from the old Whig Party
<0> but they did as you say they wouldnt allow slavery in areas they controlled
<2> weboh: all those illegals here would likely beat the crap out of you for taking their jobs away in the name of ending 'cheap labor'
<0> Swigert, there is a direct linkage to the free soil party which beacme republicans.
<8> FT: yes
<1> FairTax: Low-skilled workers have to accept the rediculous wages of Mexican Immigrants more and more.
<0> Like the Democrats who became the KKK
<0> Only in reverse
<9> all the huddled m***es.. grazing peacefully on gr***.. not a care int he world.. their shepard will take care of them
<0> hehe
<2> weboh: the illegals here have families; they work to feed those families, stop trying to starve children.
<2> hehe
<0> IN other words they became part of the republican party where as the kkk didnt become part of the dem party they split off the dem party
<8> FT: not all democrats became KKK - very, very few did
<10> Reputed 9/11 researcher, Nico Haupt has uncovered an interesting connection between Rudi Giuliani and Peter Power -the former member of the UK anti-terrorism force, who bragged on TV that he was running a coincident terror drill centered on the Underground stations which were bombed.
<1> FairTax: But nobody cares. They won't die in Mexico unless we advocate bailing out the peso and a communist revolution.
<0> weboh, What you think is irrelevant, WHat I know is relevant and I have seen since I was 8 years olds, Mexicans come and pick the cherries and in tough years when not many came, I have seen 50% rot on the tree.
<10> http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/giuliani-linked-to-london-terror-drill.html
<0> So dont tell me weboh you know what you are talking about. You are a young punk who thinks hes an old republican
<1> FreeTrade: Freedom of ***ociation is part of free trade. You don't advocate freedom of ***ociation. it's that simple
<10> denial
<0> And you know nothing PRACTICALLY I.E. HANDS ON about immigration because you have never worked alongside 150 of them
<11> ioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<0> I as part of maybe 15 white people did work amongst 150 when i was a kid
<2> I can say, I have employed illegals :)
<8> FT: simple rule here = don't compare the Republicans of 1850s to the ones today - same for the Democrats.
<3> lol
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<0> There is no substitute for experience.
<2> some of the best work I ever had done to my estate was by illegals, they laid concrete in half the time I thought it would take.
<0> byLL is banned for 10 minutes (Requested by CryHavoc - Reason: You're lame. )
<12> lol looks like byLL has a stuck key
<0> I like that Cryhavoc, Thats a smart ban 10 minutes. Seriously I think thats a great idea.
<0> It helps stop a flooder probably bylls grandchild and in 10 minutes he gets another shot
<3> his ****ing flooding hurts my eyes......
<12> vap0r420 so do you think Giuliani was behind the london train bombings
<0> Or if it was a real flooder in 10 minutes he will be on some other channel maybe never to come back
<0> Cry I was reaching for the ban myself until you beat me to it
<3> dats da idea
<8> Giuliani was in London during the bombings.
<10> who knows
<10> but ask yourself
<10> on 7-7 PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
<0> Swigert what do you mean simple rule here ?
<10> One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
<10> please.
<12> ive had that happen to me before.. dogs jumped up to get my cheetos while I was out, stepped on my keyboard and got me banned for flooding
<1> It's all about freedom of ***ociation, isn't it?
<13> vap0r420: stfu
<10> same with 9-11
<0> MY grandfather born in around 1850 or so through my son reprsents a direct lineage of republicans.
<8> FT: comparing politics of today to the antebellum period is very misleading
<10> ppl are in serious denial
<13> people are off their lithium
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