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<0> nemes: one thing you have to be careful about thou.. you can't immediately switch over every six months to the "latest and greatest" that has not been properly tested.
<1> it's because it's too heavy and inconvenient in the types of activity they have to engage in apparently
<2> good thing the real muslims cant stand NOI
<2> that fake-*** cult
<3> so your staying what they have now is steel plates to put under their flack jackets
<4> i mean just taking an example, your basic grunts nightvision kit for his helmet is not THE BEST rig out there on the amrket for a helmet mounted system
<0> lol.. no one has "flak jackets"
<3> and your saying that steel plates currently offer the best protection
<4> you can get rigs that cost like 10 thousand a piece
<0> balistic plates != metal plates
<5> HUSAYBAH, Iraq - Extra body armor - the lack of which caused a political storm in the United States - has flooded into Iraq, but many Marines promptly stuck it in lockers or under bunks.
<5> Marines already carry as much as 70 pounds when they patrol restive Anbar province - often on foot, for hours at a time. The new armor plates, at 5 pounds per set, are not worth carrying, some say.
<5> "We have to climb over walls and go through windows," said Sgt. Justin Shank of Greencastle, Pa. "I understand the more armor, the safer you are. But it makes you slower. People don't understand that this is combat and people are going to die."
<4> and have miles more zoom than the basic rigs the grunts use
<0> nemes: I know, my buddy who works security details has like a $30,000 scope
<4> and light
<5> "The reason they issued [the plates], I think, is to make people back home feel better," said Lance Cpl. Philip Tootle of Reidsville, Ga. "I'm not wishing they wouldn't have issued them. I'm just wishing that they wouldn't make them mandatory."
<5> nuff said
<0> rusty: right, leave it to the CO in the field to determine the available level of gear
<2> body armor is why i always go for the head-shot ;)
<1> Funny you should mention that, because those are illegal to export
<5> Staff Sgt. Thomas Bain of Buffalo, N.Y., shared the concerns about the extra pounds.
<5> "Before you know it, they're going to get us injured because we're hauling too much weight and don't have enough mobility to maneuver in a fight from house to house," said Bain, who is ***igned to the 3rd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment. "I think we're starting to go overboard on the armor."
<5> well td-? whatcha gonna say now?
<4> yeah you cans see why the soldiers dont like keeping all those heavy ballastic plates in the body armour, they have enough kit to trudge aroud with while on duty without added weight
<0> td: anyone who does not provide this to our troops, wants to see our soldiers DEAD DEAD DEAD: http://www.co.kern.ca.us/sheriff/images/bomb.gif
<4> just risky taking it out
<0> Nemes: not to mention, it makes firing a rifle very difficult
<3> http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&screenKey=cmpDefense&htmlCategoryID=30&htmlId=4514
<4> and if you die from a bullter wound you cant go blaming the army then
<3> here's an article about the commercial armor that they are trying to outlaw
<3> with comments from troops
<4> because you were not wearing what you were supplies
<4> heh catch twenty 2
<4> 22
<3> comment from a soldier: "We have to be able to move. It (Dragon Skin) is heavy, but it is made so we have mobility and the best ballistic protection out there. This is crazy. And they are threatening us with our benefits if we don't comply." he said.
<0> holy ****.. soldiers do not have carte blache to use any gear they personally want?
<5> nope
<5> have to be military issue so that it stands up to the quality demanded by the militayr
<3> they dont want soldiers that cant afford the stuff bitching
<0> td: yea, and that gear has p***ed full USGI testing?
<4> yeah that i can understand
<0> been subjected to long-term durability wear in the desert?
<4> what u dont need is soldiers bitching about friends who are out on patrol with better armour than their to the sarge
<0> you DO know that sand is very horrible for ballistic materials, dont you?
<4> that wont work in a military structure heh
<4> cant have bitching like that
<4> heh
<5> TRAVERSE CITY - A national recall of Second Chance Body Armor's bulletproof vests will put a hole in local city and county budgets as police leaders scramble to find money to reoutfit officers.
<5> Last week, Antrim County-based Second Chance - the nation's largest manufacturer of bulletproof vests - sent out a national warning to customers suggesting vests made with the synthetic fiber Zylon be replaced, based on test results that indicated the protective gear could fail.
<5> there you go td-
<0> rusty: damn, we should have bought our soldiers all those "fancy super expensive" vests..
<3> Currently nine U.S. generals stationed in Afghanistan are reportedly wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin body armor, according to company spokesman Paul Chopra
<3> haha
<0> i'm absolutely serious.. sand is very very dangerious to ballistic materials
<3> thats funny
<3> the generals are wearing it
<0> never seen a general jumping over high walls.. busting thru doors.. lugging around 75-90lbs of gear, with a rifle, etc
<0> what next? holy ****! we do not provide our soldiers the best vehicles! not everyone has an M1-A1 tank to ride around in!
<5> Washington, DC, May. 9 (UPI) -- The U.S. Marines are recalling more than 5,000 bullet-proof vests, already distributed to troops, because the vests don't meet safety standards.
<0> bet they were not fully tested
<3> http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/sov.php site is slow but its got some good info
<3> about the stuff the troops want to buy
<0> td: do you think every US soldier should be provided with the best armor? I do. http://www.co.kern.ca.us/sheriff/images/bomb.gif
<0> td: yeal.. on pinnacle's own website. lol
<1> brb, reboot
<3> that wouldnt be the best armor now would it
<0> yes it is, it offers far more protection than dragon skin, interceptor, second chance, etc
<3> its flexible and it blocks ak-47 rounds
<3> which beats the stuff that they dont want to wear
<3> the dragon skin
<0> but, its so ****ing heavy.. they can barely walk in it
<3> no i'm talkin the dragon skin stuff
<3> oh well.. army is making a mistake by not letting the troops wear what they need
<5> LOLOL!!! LUpine
<3> but good luck to them
<3> best of luck
<2> if i was a troop id want to wear an exoskelaton
<0> and yet, they refused to submit the armor to the DOD for testing and compliance studies when the call for the last generation armor went out.
<2> made of liquid metal, like the t-1000 in terminator 2
<0> occ: yep. td refuses to provide our soldiers with that.. so he watns to see them dead
<0> td: you know what is worse? we restrcit our soldiers from using the better small arms ammunition
<0> only some SOF are allowed to use +P JHP's, generally golden sabers and hydroshoks
<3> is that a cost saving measure?
<0> but the average soldier? nope.. ancient technology
<0> td: it's the ***inine idea that using JHP is a "war crime".. even thou, virtually every domestic agency uses them. from teh secret service to your local cop
<0> and ironically, according the FBI compiled stats.. .45acp JHP's result in less deaths than FLJ's, especially in 9mm/.38special
<3> damn the army
<3> damn war crime laws
<0> as generally only 1 shot is necessary to stop the perp
<2> JHP?
<6> mmm hydrashoks....
<0> where as with full metal jackets, they often have to shoot them multiple times
<0> occ: jacketed hollowpoints
<5> WASHINGTON (AP) - The government on Friday sued the top U.S. supplier of bullet-resistant police vests and the Japanese manufacturer of the vests' protective synthetic fiber, contending they conspired to hide evidence that the body armor could be defective.
<5> Second Chance Body Armor Inc. of Central Lake, Mich., and Toyobo Co. knew that the vests' ability to stop bullets was overstated, but Second Chance sold them anyway to local, state and federal police, according to the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Washington.
<0> FMJ will go right thru you making a neat little hole.. JHP expand, and often will stay inside of you
<5> Only after an Oceanside, Calif., police office was killed and a Forest Hills, Pa., officer was seriously wounded while wearing Second Chance vests made of Zylon in June 2003 did the company stop selling certain models and disclose safety problems, the lawsuit said.
<5> but hey, what does the military know about BODY armor
<0> the other thing is, alot of the tests are done at close range. Which actually tends to HELP performance against higher velocity rifle bullets
<5> mmmm chicken parmesan looked good on that commercial
<7> is it true it's legal to ship guns to yourself. i.e. if you're moving just UPS them to your new name/address
<7> no need for FFL
<7> bueler..
<0> bud: federally yes. but many states regulate it, and you can have alot of problem with UPS/FedEx doing it
<0> that is quite common for hunting trips, etc
<7> so a handgun in a box, ups label'ed as sporting goods wont fly?
<0> btw: the seargent major I talked to about armor, said that the vests are only good for about 6 months wear in desert conditions, before the fibres start deterioating
<0> shipping a firearm without declaring it is pretty bad ju-ju's
<7> hm
<0> that was a reason why I got an FFL03.. because UPS/Fedex do not know the differences
<0> hated dealing with the BS.. different story each time you go
<7> reading some forums
<7> ppl just box and ship em, no probs.
<7> unmarked
<5> PHILADELPHIA Mar 30, 2006 (AP) This city's hoped-for bragging rights as home of America's tallest environmentally friendly building could go down the toilet.
<5> In a city where organized labor is a force to be reckoned with, the plumbers union has been raising a stink about a developer's plans to install 116 waterless, no-flush urinals in what will be Philadelphia's biggest skyscraper.
<5> good god lefties ****
<0> bud: yes, the box is unmarked, but you need to declare it. if you do not, and you are caught, it is a federal felony
<5> just send it in pieces
<5> +)
<0> rusty: well, it is the reciever that is 'legally' the firearm.
<0> no restrictions on the other parts
<7> Lupine kinda like keeping a VHS tape of a TV program without erasing it after X hours? =P
<5> send everything else, carry the reciever on you
<0> bud: no, as in you'll be serving hard time in a federal pen.. not to mention kiss all your guns goodbye for the rest of your life
<8> its pouring really good out
<8> actually its sleeting
<8> nice
<8> sleeting = nice weather
<0> bud: my advice is, find the number for the local UPS hub.. call them up, and explain what you wish to do. If the lady does not about the law.. just ask to speak to a supervisor.
<0> it's generally to call ahead.. rather than just show up with a gun.. as yes, some counter-morons will freak out
<9> bud` you'll be ok just don't rip the tag on your mattress
<7> Lupine so. even if you're shipping it to yourself, and have followed all other guidelines, you still need to declare it
<0> BEIJING, March 30 (Reuters) -- ***ually attracting agents, insecticide lamps and bees are being used to combat a ravenous plant-eating moth which threatens to turn Beijing's "Green Olympics" brown, China's forestry officials have said.
<0> The American White Moth, native to North American forests, threatened thousands of hectares of trees planted around Beijing as part of the campaign to host an environmentally friendly Games in 2008, they said.
<0> bud: correct. Thou, there is no label on the box
<8> lol
<8> good game China
<0> now, if these are gun-parts.. i.e. non-receiver.. then you are fine shipping it undeclared
<7> Lupine now, does declaring it involve databases and id's and all that stuff
<0> The moth is a prolific breeder that can lay up to 3,000 eggs at a time, with larvae capable of stripping a healthy tree of foliage in a matter of days.
<0> bud: yes, when I did not have my FFL, they check your license, to ensure "you are really you".. and you have to sign for it and show ID at the other end
<0> UPS http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html
<7> that's FFL tho
<7> oh n/m
<0> now that I have my FFL, I can ship it to anyone
<0> the only difference in shipping is: handguns most go next day
<8> I think i'm going to get a handgun
<0> you used to be able to use the USPS for longguns.. but dunno anymore
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