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<0> 9 democrats with at least some principle
<1> Kerry is a self serving **** that thinks he will gain some support from the far left if he makes a stink.
<2> Reid voted for it
<3> FreeTrade: america told kerry to **** off too :)
<4> PocketIRC... as if the minority party represents the 'mainstream' anyways.
<4> FFS
<2> Nope, they got it wrong, Reid voted against cloture
<5> i wouldnt vote for alito :P hes too christian
<5> hehe
<0> Reid was reminded why his predecessor lost his seat to a republican.
<6> Alito's pretty good imo
<3> SonOfSpam: as if any of the two parties represent the "mainstream"
<7> Tailor: indeed, this has NOTHING to do with Alito, or his record. It has every thing to do with Democrats playing the part of a spoiled brat.. still crying about losing 2000 and 2004
<4> ^rcane... thank god.
<3> alito is a little too pro business
<5> hes ok... for a christian i guess
<4> The mainstream regularly doesn't even care enough to vote.
<6> more from the point of view of government power, less in terms of rampant corporate power
<5> they are all pro business
<5> you dont get that high up in anything without being pro business
<0> He is not pro business, HE is PRO LAW
<6> yeah.
<0> Change the GODDAMN laws if you dont like it
<3> SonOfSpam: isn't that sad?
<6> @!!!!!!
<0> Why cant people learn this.
<3> SonOfSpam: people who don't vote should lose citizenship
<5> but a lot of law is opinion freetrade
<8> i'm going to bed if official announcement of vote is going to take another 30 mins
<4> ^rcane... nah... I'd prefer idiots stay out of the voting booths.
<0> Come on people
<6> there's law, then there's interpretation of law
<3> FreeTrade: NO, HE IS PRO BUSINESS!
<7> FT: Kennedy bitching about alito upholding the law is ironic.. He is bitching at Alito for upholding Kennedy's own actions in teh senate :-)
<9> Tom Daschle
<0> Alito was in the majority like 90% of the time, more than 90% and some of his dissents were affirmed in the surpreme court
<9> hahaha
<3> FreeTrade: but yea, alito is pro law too
<9> I'd just like to take this moment to say THANK GOD FOR HOWARD DEAN
<0> This guy is a judges judge according to his democractic ***ociated and everyone who has worked with him or knows him.
<4> DarthBurg... Amen
<3> FreeTrade: but a judge being pro law... lol
<0> This guy enforces the law
<0> you dont like pro buisness laws ?
<3> FreeTrade: isn't that what they are supposed to do?
<0> chANGE THEM
<4> Of course that's an atheist amen, so it doesn't really count for much.
<4> :P
<3> judges cannot enforce laws....
<6> he doesn't enforce it, he interprets it
<6> that's kinda..what judges are paid to do
<0> rcane, Judges do enforce law, thats their job
<0> A judicial order my friends is more of an enforcement of law that any other article.
<6> no, that's not.
<2> FT, no, the executive branch enforces the law, the judicial branch just determines how they go about it by interpreting it
<0> A guilty plea by a judge is an enforcing of the law.
<6> that's not their main function, FT
<6> interpretation and balancing laws is
<0> In his case hes an appeals court and so his job 99% of the time is to enforce the law
<0> thats his job
<3> FreeTrade: law enforcement enforces laws..... as well as the executive branch...
<6> no, his job in an appeals court setting is to interpret the law at the appellate level.
<10> String too long Timur!
<3> FreeTrade: attorney general...
<6> I know, it's kind of obvious, but hey
<0> his job is to look at cases already tried and see if the law was observed, if not they get a new trial if so they dont, or they get overturned in some cases.
<2> Law enforcement is the executive branch
<4> Meh... maybe 'uphold the law' is a better way of putting it.
<6> right, that's not enforcement.
<0> Appelate judges more than any other type look at law and see if was properly applied or enforced, there is no difference between enforcment and application in this sense.
<0> When a guy does not get his miranda rights, the judge enforces his right to a new trial
<0> If the trail was properly done they enforce the ruling of the lower court
<4> Might be better to say 'upholds his right'
<6> different sense of enforcement from the conventional usage
<0> Or accept
<0> You can use a lot of adverbs to define it.
<4> Enforce in conventional usage works here... but the legal usage tends to imply executive powers.
<11> has it ever taken a Justice 90 days to get a vote?
<0> Enforce, apply, witheld, overturned
<2> Janet, probably, but its rare
<0> Janet, Supreme court ? I dont know
<0> Lower courts yes
<11> yes.. this has been going on 91 days
<4> LBJ had one that he never got appointed, right?
<11> and I do not recall, it ever taking this long before
<2> And Kerry and Kennedy are complaining they haven't had time to air the issues
<0> SOS possibly I dont recall.
<4> Took so long that LBJ was out of office before he got it.
<12> Kerry and Kennedy are Hot Air
<0> He did not run for a second term as you will remember
<2> Son, well Abe Fortas was already a Justice and LBJ attempted to make him Chief, he was filibustered for a couple weeks on a bipartisan basis and withdrew his nomination
<0> or agurably a 3rd term. he ran for one term. he was put in as president by the death of JFK
<0> THis reporter is cryign begging for release, why did she act so stupid, why do these reporters think they are invincible
<4> "Johnson nominated Abe Fortas for Chief Justice. Fortas was, at the time, an ***ociate justice. Controversy ensued regarding Fortas's extrajudicial activities, and at Fortas's request, Johnson withdrew the nomination prior to a vote of the full Senate. Earl Warren continued to act as Chief Justice through the 1968 election. After his inauguration, Nixon nominated Warren Burger, who was promptly confirmed."
<0> I undestand she didnt have bodyguards or soemthing.
<11> vote goes forward tomorrow
<13> werd....its official
<7> Well, the democrats have effectively filibustered Alito for almost two months now
<2> Well not official until they announce the results of this vote, but it will be in about five minutes
<11> they will vote tomorrow at 11
<11> they announced
<2> No they haven't
<0> Update
<11> yeah they have
<11> I just heard it
<0> Good for them
<14> wasnt bjork filibustered?
<7> FT: wow.. there is some sanity in the democratic party
<15> heh
<15> Bork
<0> Oh technically they could withdraw their vote before the final vote.
<0> but its not likely
<2> No Bork was defeated, no filibuster needed
<15> Bjork is a pop singer. :P
<0> Lupine yep
<0> 17 democrats with some level of independence.
<11> FT.. several of them have said they will not vote for Alito, but they blieve he deserves a vote
<7> MSNBC isn't airing the vote result
<0> Kudos to them, give credit where credit is due, lets look at the vote tommorrow too.
<11> so far only 4 have stated they will vote for him
<7> CNBC is ignoring the historic vote
<2> The vote result hasn't been announced yet
<16> Since February 16, 2005, the Kyoto Protocol has cost US$ 143,291,564,583 while potentially saving an undetectable 0.001485987 C by the year 2050.
<0> These are unoffical but good numbers.
<11> Lupine. ruters is
<16> Malaria cost US$ 125,543,901,268 in lost GDP and 2,579,248 lives over the same period.
<17> the fillibuster has been defeated
<2> Reuters is wrong, I'm watching Cspan2 live
<0> Its not official but yes it has been by apparently 77 votes
<11> Rockfish.. c-span is slow
<2> Cspan on tv is live
<0> 73
<17> wow! 77? Last I heard was 61
<11> I know, it is still slow
<0> 73
<0> my mistake
<0> but it could be more before its over.
<2> ????? How can it be slow, it's live
<11> Rockfish.. they already have over the 60 they needed
<17> I guess moveon.org should just move on
<0> 17 democrats have voted for cloture so far
<11> it is over, the vote will go forward at 11 am
<7> Is there a list of democrats who are against democracy, one man, one vote?
<2> Janet, oh yes, I know that, but it's not technically over til they announce it, senators COULD change their votes
<0> like I said they can withdraw their vote before the final vote but that is so unlikely
<0> 55+17 = 72
<4> On June 26, LBJ nominated Fortas as Chief Justice... In early October, after a vote to end the filibuster on the nomination failed, Fortas asked that his nomination be withdrawn.
<11> Rockfish, oh thats true
<0> **** I made 2 mistakes ;)
<0> 72
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