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<0> I took physic
<1> you are also saying it might better than we thought
<0> I know about this
<0> baaba our machines are far better know, thus more accurate data
<1> gopp: how do you know which way the 200-year-old machines were biased towards?
<2> gopp, maybe its you who are misleading
<0> then say 200 yearrs, so you may not even use that data
<1> u
<1> um
<1> gopp
<0> data that is collected is not always good ata
<1> did you get my point?
<1> they were inaccurate
<1> truth
<1> but WHICH WAY
<0> back then
<0> they where not as accurate
<3> comet: I grow raspberries :)
<1> WHICH WAY
<0> our modern machine
<1> gopp: which way
<0> back then
<0> 200 years ago
<1> which way inaccurate?
<0> 200 years ago
<4> well in the case of global warming there is no real empirical data to use. We simply have not been keeping records long enough to be able to make good ***essments.
<0> they where innaccurate
<1> more human effect or less human effect inaccurate?
<0> 200 years ago
<1> er
<1> you're missing my point completely
<0> less human effect know
<1> two hundred years ago they were inaccurate
<4> VemoD, we grew them for many years. We took out the Raspberry patch last year.
<5> I don't agree that thermomoters 200 years ago were all that innacurate
<1> but you can not know
<1> which way they were inaccurate
<4> did you make Raspberry freezer jam?
<0> baaba the data is thier
<1> but the data is inaccurate
<4> that stuff is awesome
<5> Much of the thermal data used today comes from that era
<0> not just one set, but more then one set of data
<0> which we must dissregard
<1> you can't know which way it was
<0> baaba how so
<1> well then you'd know the accurate results right?
<0> yes
<1> which would mean the whole point of them being inaccurate is pointless
<0> the ones published know
<5> For example... 200 years ago the freezing and boiling points of water were known and accurately measured... if those measurments were not innacurate why do you think that measurments between those points would be?
<3> comet: I made something like jam...smush and add sugar...put it on top of cake :)
<5> gopp... 200 years ago the freezing and boiling points of water were known and accurately measured... if those measurments were not innacurate why do you think that measurments between those points would be?
<0> KoBushi k but I am not saying it wrong, I am saying those who dissagree with the old data do so by saying it was not as accurate
<3> comet: What I'd like to do is grow peppers and garlic...spices basically...thats the most usefull to me
<5> gopp an argument for which they have no evidence :)
<1> gopp: but when you declare the old data inaccurate, you declare that it can be either too low or too high
<1> both ways are possible
<0> and it was a litte low
<1> um
<1> where'd the inaccuracy go?
<0> our insturements
<0> used know
<6> Three women and a man working for the ActionAid charity have been shot dead in Afghanistan, officials say
<0> are far more acurate KoBushi
<1> if it's inaccurate, you can't know was it too low or too high
<0> even digital
<4> vemo if you have never had Raspberry Freezer Jam .. you haven't lived :)
<1> if you do know, then you have accurate data
<5> gopp there is more evidence via scientific documentation, that those measruments were accurate
<3> comet: What is that? ^_^
<0> baaba based on the graph, and compared to a 10 year of 200 years ago to one of a 10 year graph of know you see a much higher peak know, then before
<5> gopp there isn't much difference between 212 F and 212.1F
<0> KoBushi prove it
<5> gopp okay, open a science book
<1> gopp: but what if the peak was too high then?
<0> KoBushi I never said the formula was different
<5> then, flip to the section on temperature and thermodynamics
<1> or what if it was too low then?
<0> the insturments
<1> how do you know if it was too high or too low
<0> to collect the data are much better
<1> it's inaccurate
<7> Last week, state highway officials in Fort Stockton unveiled the first 80-mph speed limit sign -- reportedly the fastest posted speed limit in the nation.
<1> you can't know if it was too high or too low
<5> gopp fine, if you don't want to listen to the proof, then you won't get any
<8> interesting, i am reading a national geographic from 1975 on Iran, and i looked at the map of Iran, and noticed that all of the sites that the UN/US/Europe claim that Iran is building nuclear tech at, are EXTREMELY close to airports
<3> comet: I googled it...
<9> CometBaby: Yes, it is a matter of time--but fresh foods are much better anyway.
<5> gopp boiling and freezing points of MANY materials were known and *ACCURATELY* measured by the 1800s
<5> gopp a temperature scale was already INVENTED by the 1800s
<4> here is the receipe I use
<4> Raspberry Freezer Jam
<4> 1 1/2 qt. raspberries
<4> 5 1/4 c. sugar
<4> 1 box Sure-Jell
<4> Measure fruit and sugar into large bowl. Mix well. Let set 10 minutes.
<4> Combine 3/4 cup water and Sure-Jell into small pan. Boil for 1 minute, stirring constantly. Add to fruit mixture and stir 3 minutes. Put into jars or plastic containers. Cover. Let set at room temperature for 24 hours. Then freeze.
<5> You are going to say that thier equipment was innacurate in reading thier own scale?! lol
<5> moronic
<8> Comet, have you ever heard of or had "Tomato jam"?
<0> KoBushi I TOOK physic with a loony liberal, even he said he didn't belive in gobal warming, he stated that intursements used back then are not oare accurate as they are know
<4> this stuff is like eating fresh raspberries on your toast .. open up a jar and it's gone!
<0> KoBushi sure
<4> comet I have never eaten any but yes, I've heard of it
<0> of many materials but not of temputure
<4> I believe it is made with green tomatos
<5> gopp he's an idiot, liquid oxygen was made by 1880; you think you can do that without accurate thermometers and a good understanding of thermodynamics? **** no
<8> the stuff my dad had that i refused to eat was red
<8> hehehe
<4> vemo .. the secret with this raspberry jam is that it is NOT cooked. You boil the sure jel .. but not the raspberries. So they are still *fresh* tasting.
<3> comet: sure-jell must be like pectin...thats the other ingredient I'm coming up with
<0> so why is thier ia bigger spike know in temputure compared to 200 years ago KoBushi
<4> yes, it is pectin.
<4> a box of pectin
<4> you know how strawberries taste when they are *fresh* .. but the flavor and consistency changes when they are *cooked* into jam. With Freezer jam .. you never cook the berries.
<8> Despite media coverage purporting to show that escalating violence in Iraq has the country spiraling out of control, civilian death statistics complied by Rep. Steve King, R-IA, indicate that Iraq actually has a lower civilian violent death rate than Washington, D.C.
<5> The Celsius scale was invented by the Swedish astronomer Anders Celsius (1701-1744, Sweden). ; The Fahrenheit scale was invented by the German scientist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686 Poland - 1736 Dutch Republic ;
<8> While that number sounds high - astonishingly, the Iowa Republican discovered that it's significantly lower than a number of major American cities, including the nation's capital.
<8> "It's 45 violent deaths per 100,000 in Washington, D.C.," King told Crowley.
<8> Other American cities with higher violent civilian death rates than Iraq include:
<8> Detroit - 41.8 per 100,000
<8> Baltimore - 37.7 per 100,000
<5> So what, you think they ere able to invent 2 temperature scales that are still in use today and yet thier ability t measure that scale was innacurate for over 100 years?
<8> Using Pentagon statistics cross-checked with independent research, King said he came up with an annualized Iraqi civilian death rate of 27.51 per 100,000.
<5> get real man
<3> comet: Yeah, thats the same as what I do...but I just never made a jam...the sure-jell is key there
<8> i wonder why the media doesn't report that?
<8> *crickets*
<0> KoBushi I never inaccurate as iin wrong
<0> but way off
<0> like 10%\
<10> I like Celsius because it is based off two simple landmarks
<5> gopp if it were 10% off it would have been wrong, period
<10> 0C freezes water, 100C boils water
<3> comet: I don't eat animal by-products so I guess I have to make sure about that first...
<3> well like jello and crap like that
<5> gopp if it were 10% off, they would have said that water boils at 233.2F at sea leve
<5> level*
<5> and they didn't
<0> are you saying
<0> my profesor a physic professor in a repsect college is wrong
<4> vemo I think it is the same thing
<2> mmm, jello, and other mad cow products..
<4> a thickener
<4> thickener
<5> gopp absolutely
<0> KoBushi are you saying our instruments are not any better know then back then
<5> gopp especially given that most people who owned thermometers back then were scientists who knew how to calibrate them
<5> gopp correct; the vast majority of our temperature reading equipment is no better than what was used even 250 years ago. It's just easier to use, and less toxic
<10> them laser thermometers are cool
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