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<0> i forget how many treasury secretaries served under Clinton?
<0> and didn't one of them get charged with Fraud or something?
<1> Yaakov do you emprical data to prove with out a doubt it a big issue, and not a cycle of nature
<2> `436Hemi: CO2 levels aren't like the weather, they are long-term averages so they aren't subject to the chaos of short-term weather prediction.
<3> Timur, sure you did, you could have said, 'eh, Snow resigned, and been done with it, of course you didn't.
<1> Lupine well the liberal media loves to give thier opnion, it best like my sister a phamracist say, is to read the journal, and not the newspaper
<4> I could have done a lot of things. I copied and pasted from an article. Sue me. :)
<5> tailor: i think timur was just cut-n-pasting the article
<0> http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <--- Yaakov, this is a long read, read it when you got time=)
<1> most journalist only take what they view as news, and don't present the whole journal
<3> Timur, " another chapter of a White House shake-up to revive ", you just had to add that...
<5> it just looked like the last line was out of the text block
<1> on such topic
<3> Lupine, sure he was, but he CHOSE to paste that part.
<1> most people are lazy Lupine thus won't take thier time to read a journal
<1> or more then one journal
<2> gopp: I don't KNOW what Global Warming portends, as I said, but I can beleive that humans are exacerbating it. How that should affect our behavior is also a mystery to me.
<5> tailor: well, it is one long runon sentence.. *shrug*
<4> I didn't add anything. It's the first paragraph of the article.
<3> Timur, face it, you are just another self loathing liberal.
<4> except I'm not. Try decaf.
<0> ahh yes Clinton had 3 Treasury Secretaries
<3> Timur, I see, so you didn't read it first.
<4> I did
<4> and the relevant thing to me was that he resigned.
<5> it's the personal political ideology of the reporter, Terence Hunt
<3> Oh? So you did choose to paste that stupid observation " another chapter of a White House shake-up to revive"
<0> Rubin left the Clinton Administration and joined Citigroup as an executive in October, 1999; he remains there to this day. He sparked controversy in 2001 when he contacted an acquaintance at the Treasury Department and asked if the department could convince bond-rating agencies to not downgrade the corporate debt of Enron.
<3> Timur, then why add the spin?
<0> Enron was a debtor of Citigroup, and Rubin's intention was for Enron creditors to loan the troubled company money to restructure its debt and prevent the energy giant's collapse; a collapse would have serious consequences for financial markets and energy distribution.
<0> Niiiiiiiice
<4> I didn't add anything, it was the reporter's writing.
<1> `436Hemi crooks
<4> see, it was all together in the first paragraph.
<2> `436Hemi: I was arguing about your analogy of short-term weather prediction to long-term average CO2, not the correctness of the model they are using.
<1> Timur but this rom is bias
<3> You didn't have to paste that part, you did it knowing it was bull****.
<4> gopp: ok, so he is
<1> Yaakov could you not accept, that c02 large part comes from volconos
<4> Tailor: no, I pasted it because I was more interested in the event than either 1. the reporter's spin or 2. the overreaction of people reacting to the spin.
<5> Yaakov: well, if long term weather prediction was anywhere near accurate.. we'ld be in a "global cooling" phase :-)
<1> I recall global cooling
<1> early 80's
<6> and you know that because you're more accurate than long term weather prediction?
<3> Timur, you pasted it knowing it was spin, and you didn't have to paste the spin, you did it with reason, to bash Bush.
<5> gopp: thank GOD we have ted kennedy blowing all the hot air
<1> Lupine :)
<1> and algore
<7> How many volcanos do we got in the US?
<3> Timur, it's ok, we don't expect any more from you.
<1> VemoD couple
<4> Tailor: I'm not going to necessarily take the time/effort to selectively c/p from within a paragraph to mollify the oversensitive.
<5> baaba: climatologists used to predict dire consequences of the earth's rapid cooldown.
<1> and many more around the world
<7> So thats where it comes from?
<4> fine, then don't
<7> ;)
<6> and?
<5> Yea, the US has one of the most active volcano's, Hawaii
<6> nobody knows what the **** is going on
<4> in other news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5028776.stm A bomb has wrecked several parked cars near the Athens home of Greek Culture Minister Giorgos Voulgarakis
<1> Lupine most of it not scinces, but poltics
<3> Timur, of course not, it's your intent to take cheap shots, so why not add the spin.
<6> don't claim that you do any better
<2> gopp: It doesn't matter what produces the MOST CO2. If human activity produces a *significant* amount, it could be the unbalancing factor. If you have a container that can safely hold 1000 pounds, and one agent adds 999 pounds, then another 2 pounds, it doesn't matter that MOST of the weight came from the first--it still breaks.
<1> they leave out certain test, so that they can reach certain conclusion
<7> lupine: How many miles from mainland is that?
<4> Tailor: it's not a cheap shot to state that some people are way too overcritical and read too much into things.
<1> Yaakov that fact it produces far far far more then any human could that it end of story
<2> gopp: I am mostly uncertain about the meaning of Global Warming, but I think we DO need to look very carefully at our behavior.
<3> Timur, it's a cheap shot at Bush, and you knew it when you pasted it.
<7> I guess Oregon has one
<4> Tailor: whether it is or isn't, is not my concern or interest. Again, I was interested in the fact of the resignation.
<2> gopp: Did you not understand my analogy? Two pounds is not very much at all, but if 999 pounds is already there, it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak.
<3> Timur, you are also lying, you knew it was a cheap shot when youpasted it.
<4> fine, so critique the content. Just because I paste something doesn't mean I take it as gospel.
<2> gopp: And we ARE using unprecented amounts of CO2 producing fuel, so, we should look at it carefully.
<1> Yaakov so your saying we are going to break the camel backs
<1> with our 2% or 1%
<1> fair enough
<4> except I'm not, because that wasn't my intent, or interest, and it wasn't my writing. Instead of criticizing me, who didn't even write it, counter the claim. Or not. Either way, later for that.
<3> Timur, and again, if it Snow's resignation was your issue, you would have said that without posting the spin with it.
<4> no, I chose to post a 'news article', see.
<6> gopp: he's not claiming it as a fact, but he's saying it's a possibility
<6> and we ought to be careful
<6> because the possibility exists
<4> nevermind
<6> nobody knows for sure, but uncertainty warrants caution
<7> yaakov: People don't tend to change until it is absolutely necessary
<3> No you didn't, you 'chose' that part of the article, you didn't paste the entire article.
<2> gopp: I am saying that it COULD work that way, and the risk is too great to ignore. Therefore we SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER how human behavior is involved in this, and act according to the best analysis we can muster--not in a political way.
<0> TAIPEI (Reuters) - Pandemonium broke out in Taiwan's parliament on Tuesday when deputies attacked a woman colleague for snatching and trying to eat a proposal on opening direct transport links with China in a bid to stop a vote on the issue.
<0> LOL!
<1> baaba no it not going to exis
<1> t
<6> you don't know that
<1> baaba it just doom and gloom and I don't buy it
<4> decaf definitely recommended.
<6> you have no facts to back that up
<1> baaba I do, real scinectist
<5> Yaakov: okay, by your analogy.. suppose we are adding 2 lbs.. why should we spend herculean effort to cut that to 1 lb.. when china may be stuffing 500lbs into it?
<1> who are not poltical
<1> have said so
<6> gopp: i'm not saying it WILL happen, but i'm saying it's POSSIBLE
<6> it's a possibility
<7> yaakov: The whole system would have to change if we actually cared about c02
<3> Timur, don't recommend or instruct me, you won't like the outcome.
<6> gopp: how could he know?
<6> gopp: there are too many factors to be certain
<1> baaba well how do you it possible and what was your margin of error during the exam
<2> Lupine: Human behavior is an aggregate, and in any case, I don't support any proposals that I have heard so far, including Kyoto, for various reasons.
<6> nobody can be certain
<7> yaakov: Thats not going to happen...c02 means money for almost ever business that exists
<7> every
<6> he can estimate but he can't be absolutely certain
<1> baaba fair enough, but tht the point thier to many variable for it to be true
<6> er
<6> no
<6> that's false logic
<6> there are too many variables to know for sure
<6> either way
<1> baaba yes we can
<6> too many variables means it can be either true or false
<1> we have scincetist who study and said we can't cuase that ****
<6> we have scientists who study and say we can
<6> who's right who's wrong?
<7> haha
<1> baaba no we have politicians
<1> who said it can
<1> baaba not scinctist
<6> we have independent scientists who say it can
<6> and ones who say it can't
<1> and independent my ***
<7> seriously...c02 is a byproduct of burning oil
<6> they have their studies and conclusions
<6> and those conclusions differ
<1> seriously, they just are angry
<6> because there are too many variables
<6> you can't know for sure
<1> they lost federal funding
<1> and grants
<1> thus they rant
<7> its true, its documented, its the reason that you die if you lock yourself in a garage with a running car
<2> Personally, something I want to do is reduce my garbage output. I am APPALLED at the amount of waste my family produces. Particularly packaging. I want to find a way to reduce it dramatically.
<1> VemoD you can die from any gas
<1> if you inhale for long time
<1> it mean ****
<3> VemoD, that's CO, carbom monoxide.
<0> Russia's defence minister has confirmed that Moscow intends to honour a controversial deal to supply Iran with surface-to-air missiles.
<0> The contract for up to 30 missile systems would be fulfilled except in "extraordinary circumstances", Sergei Ivanov said, without elaborating.
<0> He stressed that, because of their technical characteristics, the missiles could not be used by terrorist groups.
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