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<0> Nobody cares
<1> Nemes: I've been thinkin on that all night
<1> Nems: gonna stick around?
<2> And some people thought we were fine even with sadaam in power.
<3> yeah i should be on perm now
<4> stupidbot... some people think we're fine with Bush in power.
<2> And somepeople don't.
<2> Right.
<1> Nemes: here it is http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/sc8679.doc.htm
<2> So I mean the same facts can lead to different conclusions right?
<5> I figure Bush on attacking Iran maybe before 2008 election?
<2> What do you call that?
<4> The thoughts of some unspecified someones and what they think really has no relevance on what *I* think.
<6> you cant bring other nations into a conflict when theyre on the take with your enemies
<0> Lemme ask...was 1992 a war?
<0> gulf war?
<6> i think it was more of a skirmish
<4> 1991 jack***
<0> fine
<0> Was it?
<4> Yes, Iraq invaded Kuwait at the end of 1990... we went in at the beginning of 1991.
<3> wonder if iran has responded yet
<4> The "Persian Gulf Conflict"
<1> Nemes: Yah
<2> The US had french defending it's flank you think the US asked french for help in a skirmish?
<4> Authorized by Congress in Public Law 102-1 iirc.
<2> the french
<3> enviromentalists has finaly gotten what they wanted with the British navy
<4> It was a war for all intents and purposes, regardless of whether you make a distinction between those declared or formally declared or undeclared, etc.
<3> british navy is installing new sonar due to its current setup disturbing whales
<3> complete refit
<1> LOL
<0> glock: I'd prefer to call it that, the "persian gulf conflict"
<0> Not a war
<1> Jill Carroll was released
<5> not a war?
<1> that's a good thing
<4> As far as the legal view, the courts really don't make much distinction between a war authorized or declared by congress except where congress itself makes such a distinction and even then that hasn't been challenged directly yet.
<1> Nemes: ugh
<4> VemoD... the "Persian Gulf Conflict" for all intents and purposes was a war.
<5> "War on drugs" is that a war?
<4> ke6i... no that is a policy
<4> With a catchy name.
<4> Like the war on terror.
<3> yeah
<7> The US fought and decimated the worlds I think 4th largest army...and its not a war
<3> thats exactly what its like
<5> yeah "War on terror" is a clumsy name, imo.
<2> There are US troops in colombia fighting "narco terrorists."
<3> just like the war on terror
<0> glock: Why?
<1> Nemes: Iran's U.N. amb***ador, Javad Zarif, told reporters his government has not decided on a formal response, but said that Iran will never give up its right to produce nuclear fuel for a peaceful nuclear energy program.
<7> I guess you have to go after only the 3rd largest on up
<4> The authorization of force in Afghanistan and the one in Iraq are considered wars, legally. Not some label for a policy like "the war on terror"
<1> Nemes: "Iran will want to cooperate with the international community, but it does not accept pressure or intimidation," he said. "We have made it clear at the highest levels of government Iran does not want nuclear weapons, nor does it want to pursue development, stockpiling or acquisition of these inhumane weapons."
<0> <--- always gotta ask that
<4> The courts don't play stupid.
<5> Colombia is a pretty nasty war.
<3> Publius, standoff -- s'upp to the security council to show its teeth then
<5> Fair number of deaths in that.
<1> Nmees: Actually, I think it is up to the IAEA
<0> talks to me in words man
<4> Politicians can call **** anything they want... but a rose is still a rose, and a tree ain't a rose.
<3> we will probably see some sanctions
<4> VemoD... why what?
<0> like person to person....why was it a war?
<1> Nemes: We might see more. THe IAEA doesn't play around...they are German and Austrian
<1> lol
<4> Because it involved two military forces battling against one another?
<6> good god
<5> I hate these 'definition arguments'
<6> the delta union is staging a "pratice strike" today
<4> Granted you could take that to an absurd extreme either way... but that's the gist of what a war is.
<3> Germans are pretty lax these days when it comes to iran and thats down to china and russia hanging on irans side more or less and applying diplomatic preasure
<4> And since congress authorized it, it falls under war under US law.
<3> austrians i am not sure about
<0> Fine...."congress" said so
<1> Nemes: You've read about the Russians giving info to Hussein and nuke tech to Iran though right?
<3> ya
<1> they are throwing away any leverage
<5> I think the US might bomb Iran. Just like how the USA bombed Cambodia near the end of the Vietnam war. They always expand the war before the end.
<3> yeah that certainly didnt do them any good
<3> even if the intell was bogess
<0> <--- doesn't really put much faith in "congress"
<0> Sorry glock
<1> Nemes: Stupid Russians
<1> lol
<3> heh
<4> VemoD... well tough luck, they get to decide when we go to war whether or not you like the Constitution.
<5> Russians have been selling a reactor to Iran, out in the open, basically.
<4> If you disagree with the system, feel free to push to change it.
<1> Nemes: At first I thought they were helping us...but after further review they just botched it
<1> I felt
<3> Publius, meh everyone has a country that is a pet hate
<4> Maybe you can get a national referendum for war authorizations in an Amendment for us.
<3> personaly mine is france
<1> Nemes: which is why I thought Russia didn't do it to hurt us
<3> yeah
<6> Nemes: and some have an entire region =)
<3> they messed up
<3> heh
<1> Nemes: The Germans busted 41 agencies that were infiltrated by Russian agents and using the companies to supply Iran nuclear tech
<1> supposedly
<3> nice
<6> wow
<6> horray for jill carol
<1> not surprising
<3> germans must really be clueless these days to let the germans bust them
<3> and to trust iraqis
<3> they really must be clueless
<1> Nemes: yeah, but you know that made the Germans mad
<1> They aren't going to want to be nice to Iran
<3> russians have been doing allsorts of weird things as far as intelligence goes altely
<6> "jill, youve just been released from captivity by terrorists, what are you gonna do next?"
<6> "im going to disneyland!"
<3> they even said they found a listening device hidden isnide a rock near the english emb***y in moscow that eng agents were using to p*** intell along the line.
<3> weirdness
<0> glock: I'm an artist...I'll do my best to change it
<3> we denied it obviously
<0> :)
<3> but i dont think it was even anything to dow ith us
<1> yeah
<1> they just tried to throw it on you
<5> Russians and Chinese always been less hung up about the nuclear technology issue. They just want the money I think.
<4> VemoD... good luck with that. Tough fight ahead of you though... we only have one nation wide election in the US... done every 4 years and only 538 appointed people participate.
<1> Nemes: I think the place to watch is Palestine
<4> Be interesting to see if any other nation wide election could ever become part of our system.
<5> Imo the place to watch is Venezuela.
<3> israel has that all sawn up Publius
<1> Abbas wrote his doctorals thesis on the Holocaust not happening
<3> cant get anything past mosad
<1> doctoral*
<3> heh
<1> And he is the supposed leader for peace?
<8> I have one comment before I go to bed...
<1> That thesis is creepy good
<5> Most middle-easterners hate Jews and the United States.
<3> ahh 215KB/sdl
<3> screeming down :)
<9> deadgrrl... and... it is... ???
<1> sdl?
<1> oh
<3> kb/s dl
<1> but, imo, people who think like that
<1> never change
<1> and they are damn good at faking that they have
<8> Palestine is originally a Roman contrivance, then a reinvented one by those in the modern world who are anti-Semites. The only true 'Palestinians' are the descendants of the 'Philistines', living in the Gaza Strip area if any of them are truly left. The rest are all the folks booted out of Jordan for causing so much trouble to the royal family there.
<8> Who need to go back now and claim their little parcel of land there.
<8> Anyone who knows history, Biblical and otherwise, by definition and common sense knows that they do not belong where they are in the West Bank areas.
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