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<0> xtor yes, they are meant to be taken seriously, and the ppl carrying them are totally serious about it
<1> PO, What Rhetoric and why ?
<2> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
<3> P_O, /ignore *!* herzen@*
<1> YOU know I expected Herzen to me more loony left but he is incredibly thoughtful in his positions whether or not I agree with him.
<1> He talks honestly and forthright.
<0> xtor you seem not to understand how loony the left is
<4> panini you just convinced me you are dumber than the leftwingers making counterfeit protest signs. nobody in their right minds expects to be taken 100% seriously. Its just a protest where people use sarcasm as a tool of expression.
<3> panini, when you're standing among the lunatics, on any side of the spectrum, its hard to see how incredibly ridiculous you actually are
<1> You dont have to run around trees to get his opinion. and he doesnt play games.
<2> xtor have you not looked at zombietime? spend some time looking through all the SF protests. you will be amazed at the vehement freakishness of the left.
<5> Hamas to adopt this as the Palestinian national anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQc2y3BR30
<0> xtor I'm afraid you're the dumb one, since you didn't know they were serious about the protest
<1> Look, SF Would not allow a great battleshipp to be a museum in SF, That is a huge loss to me and others in the bay area.
<1> I am lucky we have the USS Hornet as a Museum.
<1> SF is idiotic
<1> The government
<6> yep
<4> panini they were serious about their cause but NOT seriously being expected to be taken literally(except by right wingers who think they are really smart).
<7> FreeTrade, I'm making fun of his use of those photos pretty much.
<1> there are a lot of sane people in there, but the government is nuts and apparently the majority because they vote them in or they dont vote against them.
<3> Eh
<1> But there is a strong more conservative element in SF
<3> If you want to be taken credibly, on any side of an issue
<3> dress like an adult
<8> is someone against a museum in SF??
<3> act like an adult
<9> lol herzen
<1> I dont know percentages, I would guess 30%
<3> and don't go to whacko protests
<9> @ those pics you pasted
<2> how many times have leftists called Bush the worst terrorist in the world or a Nazi or a liar. you think the countless wackos who say those things are not serious?
<9> yah there are a lot of conservatives around here
<1> SF City Council and the idiot mayor, do not want a great battleship here as a museum and tourist attraction.
<6> i think they are serious
<3> salstress, http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/117-1743_IMG.JPG
<3> whoo.
<2> http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/sheehanchavez.jpg
<9> i mean sf has some peopel that are so rich you'd **** yourself
<9> ;p
<3> http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/118-1853_IMG.JPG
<3> Whoo.
<1> What, SF City Council Thinks WW2 was a war that we were wrong to be involved in ? After Honolulu was attacked ?
<5> Herzen: http://www.corblund.com/video/truck_high.mov
<2> Herzen, I have looked at all the zombietime photos.
<0> xtor wrong. remember you first thought they weren't even left wingers; you thought they were rightwing plants!
<8> SF already does have battleships as tourist attractions (an old Liberty ship). So, what't the big deal?
<6> when will the left learn it takes war to make peace and freedom is not free
<5> FreeTrade: Norway's going to recognize the Hamas Government... See you at the next "How Berkeley Can You Be" event!
<1> They are just so ****ing anti military until they tried to shut down the SF Presidio army base, Then because of the high stakes money involved fought for it to stay
<1> Pickle haha
<0> xtor but I know many of these ppl personally and I can ***ure you they mean every word they say literally
<4> salstress if you replace the word "terrorist" with warmonger you have ***igned that statement statistical credibility when you pile up the bodies. Its a statistical fact that he has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians through the wars he was commander in chief during.
<2> it is frightening to me that Cindy Sheehan and Harry Belafonte both went down and buddied up with Hugo Chavez. shocking.
<1> BlueJeans the big deal is they rejected I think it was the USS Ohio , because it sends a message that SF is Pro Military..
<1> How immature.
<2> xtor, how many people died during Lincoln's war. do you think he was a warmonger?
<6> shocking is they were let back into this country
<3> salstress, from what i've heard, Sheehan wants to run for Senate
<8> SF has been very supportive of the military over the years. The problems came about after the Vietnam war when they learned that the Navy had polluted much of their land in SF and didn't want to clean up their mess.
<1> It could of only helped San Francisco monetarily as a tourist attraction, as yet one more reason to vist San Francisco.
<2> yeah. my blood absolutely BOILS when I think about those traitors.
<6> same here
<4> panini you can ***ure me of that but firstly to me its pure hearesay and secondly theres plenty or right wing nutcases who think that god causes all this and that. As an example I point to Pat Robertson(or was it Jerry Fallwell) who said that 911 occured because too many americans were GAY! That it was gods wrath! Find me a leftist who has made a statement that idiotic. Go ahead.
<1> Blue Jeans sure they were, SF was a strong military city before the 60s
<10> never use the word "traitor"
<10> trust me
<5> Herzen: Yeah, she wants to run against Pelosi
<5> That would be hilarious
<2> oh god what a disaster
<2> i have got to get out of california
<1> Hell half of the peopel who fought in WW2 left from underneath the golden Gate bridge.
<6> Pickle i think she wants to run against feinstien
<1> half the ships built for ww2 were built in the SF bay
<3> Pickle, Jeeesus
<2> yeah she wants to run against FEINSTEIN
<5> Ah
<2> Pelosi is in the house
<1> I dont know about half literally but the shipyards here were outstanding.
<1> It gave 1000s of jobs to blacks during the depression. and whites, and women.
<2> who cares, freetrade?
<1> I care
<8> FreeTrade, true. But the Vietnam war changed a lot of things. WWII was about as close as one could come to a morally correct war. But Vietnam was a disaster of lies by a corrupt US government. People of SF are wise to promote a vision of peace instead of glorifying war.
<0> xtor that isn't the point. the point you are (foolishly) trying to deny that there are leftwing loonies
<1> Richmond the City was born more or less on ship building, same with San Pablo.
<8> It was not accident that the United Nations started in SF. This was a vision of world peace.
<2> i think our country is in serious danger of imploding.
<3> Yeesh
<1> Blue Jeans but it was not anti military
<1> the people who started the UN dropped the damn bomb
<6> salstress you mean a revolution?
<11> Yesh to what Herz Salstress ?
<2> no I mean the inability to do what is right because of the idiocy of the populace, made so by the manipulative left wing media, academia and entertainment businesses.
<4> panini I still deny that left wing loonyism is as widespread(compared to rightwing nuttery) as you make it out to be and use dubious pictures on the internet as "proof".
<8> heh, Sheenan is an iditot. The press rewards her for bad behavior. Next, she'll run against Bush on her own Lisystrata Party ballot. The press will eat it up. The voters will wisely stay away in droves.
<1> The members in the UN security council with veto powers were all military powers.
<12> salstress. damn left is destroying everything.
<2> yes, they have.
<1> Hell the UN was started by and owned by the militarists
<2> they are responsible for where we are now. 40 years of GARBAGE.
<5> Heh, I love that Corb Lund video
<0> xtor lol!! deny the sky is blue too, that's easier to defend
<5> That should be our provincial anthem
<1> Sheehan will command a strong minority of the left.
<1> she will get a lot of votes in Berkeley
<1> and San Francisco
<2> dubious pictures. xtor did you GO to zombietime? just go there and spend 15 minutes looking at the pictures. then find ANYTHING equivalent on the right wing side.
<1> I hopes she runs independent agaisnt feinsteing splits the ticket and we get a republican back in.
<2> no way
<1> once a republican is in he wont likely be taken out.
<2> feinstein is very very strong
<2> she aint losing
<1> California is pro incumbancy not pro Boxer or Feinstein
<8> I doubt it. Berkeley voters are smart. Very smart. They will see through Sheehan easily.
<4> salstress watch some televangelists sometime. You will have nuttier behaviour in FULL STREAMING VIDEO that will put zombietime to shame
<1> She is not strong.
<1> I know California well
<1> I live across the bay from where she used to live.
<6> california elections are fixed. districts are drawn so no incumbant can lose
<2> exactly
<2> arnold tried to fix it. he was shut down by the commies who support the unions.
<6> yep, shows how strong the unions are
<1> She isnt as far left as boxer anyway, but I forget how she got into the senate, I know exactly how Boxer did.
<8> Sheehan will barely be a blip in the primaries. Give Cindy her 15 minutes of fame and be off.
<2> hire more and more teachers to teach all the illegal aliens, and what do you have? a stronger union that owns the socialist legislature.
<1> The GOP put a far right (Libertarian) republican against her. (Boxer)
<1> It was a mistake even though I agreed with the guy
<1> He openly called for the end of the Department of Education and the Federal level which is very unpopular with voters anywhere in america.
<0> xtor if left wing loonyism is a 10, then rightwing nuttery would be a 3 or 4
<1> And even with that against him, Boxer, BARELY won.
<1> BARELY
<2> cindy sheehan should continue her quest. she is so irrational, psychotic and distorted that the more she is in the news and the press, the more damage she doese to the left. and the left can't ignore her. they have to take a position on her. this is good for normal rational people to see.
<1> She ran ads against him that he was a peepshow viwer
<1> viewer
<12> was he
<1> so he looked at topless women, What a hypcrite.
<1> Boxer would of probably defended the topless womens jobs if someone threatened them.
<12> are those republican values
<2> I think in fact it is another example of just how liberally biased our media are, the fact that they hardly give her any press anymore because they realize she is a loon and don't want to be ***ociated with her. so they ignore her and deliberately NOT put anything in the news about her.
<1> Like I said she won by a very small amount, against a FAR RIGHT LIBERTARIAN. A guy I agreed with at the time.
<1> And still do mostly, we dont need a Dept. Of Education in DC, that can be left to the states.
<2> the other thing that boils my blood is the ACLU. what to do about them I don't know.
<1> The ACLU loses so many lawsuits, they are just a gadfly.
<6> FreeTrade speaking of education, i dont see how it's constitutional to make US citizens pay billions to school illegals
<1> They get overturned all the time when they do win.
<4> is there such a thing as the libertarian party yet? or are we doomed to a duopoly forever?
<4> And I mean a libertarian party with an actual backing, not just paper
<1> OZ, its not neccesarily constitutional, in my opinion. But states and cities as I see it, usually support them.
<1> xtor, there is a libertarian leaning conservative party, Republican.
<6> but the people don't
<1> Republican party has divisions in it.
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