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<0> glock, i seriously don't know how they get anyone to teach in bad schools
<1> Glock21, Maybe for American schools
<2> Linus-... either do I.
<1> Glock21, Canadian schools are like Romper Room with sully Minorities
<0> i mean, for the pay, i wouldnt risk my safety
<1> surly*
<3> there is no such thing as bad children... they only immitate their atmosphere....
<3> =P
<2> Linus-... at least not high school level. More felons there than in the county lock up.
<0> i work in one of the worst schools in santa rosa ca for a year, but it was only k-5... the middle and high schools were more dangerous
<0> yep
<0> i worked
<0> not work
<1> a lot of teachers
<1> go into ed out of desperation
<1> because they get like a history degree
<4> hans: I went to St. Joseph's U. (www.sju.edu)
<1> and don't know wtf to do from there
<0> santa rosa is a city of 120k that is such a contrast between wealthy and gangs
<2> lil shoeties fo all dem gangstas
<4> Herz: I can show you my transcript
<0> XIV is one deadly gang
<3> no wonder yer gay ;)
<1> Timur, eh I don't disbelieve you
<1> no need
<0> dumb***, its CA... a lot of towns are spanish names
<3> hahahah
<0> santa maria, santa cruz, santa barbara
<0> santa rusty
<2> Linus-... you'd think it was once part of Mexico or something.
<2> :o
<3> Ho ho ho! lil chilren....
<1> You got a B in Spec Ed Diagnosis & Instruct
<1> You ****
<0> bear flag forevah!
<4> Herz: well, stuff like Educational Psych
<2> It's just a bear shaped pear... really.
<2> :P
<4> Herz: if you'll notice, I was taking 3 cl***es in one 6-wk summer session; I also was working so.. :)
<0> special ed is much more difficult than reg ed credential
<1> I'm not sure what grade "P" is
<5> By god they better test well for NCLB though!
<0> P***
<4> Linus: I subbed at a local middle sch last week, and got good feedback from the special ed teacher after helping 2 LD kids
<0> i loved teaching spec ed kids
<4> Herz: "P***" in a P***/Fail clas
<1> hmmm
<0> i wouldnt want to be a spec ed teacher due to paperwork
<1> we don't hav ethose where i went to school
<4> it wasn't optional, that's the only standard for that cl***
<2> How does the P/F thing work with GPA?
<1> I'd show you my transcript but i'd have to dig
<0> about 40-50% of time is spoent in SST meetings and filling out fed and state mandated paperwork
<2> Or is this post-grad stuff where GPA isn't part of the equation anymore?
<0> P/F doesnt get included in gpa
<2> <-- asks the eternal undergrad.
<0> it just counts for credits required
<4> Linus: the wonderful world of federally mandated educational standards.. :)
<0> yep
<2> There were a few of my electives where I could elect to go with a P/F instead of a grade... seemed odd though so I never went for it.
<6> Someone has too
<2> Timur... it's that 'smaller government' thing we were promised.
<4> Glock: I understand and respect the rationales, but it'd be nice if the paperwork could be minimized so that teachers could spend more time and effort teaching. :)
<2> Timur... seems like States do their fair share of making it worse too.
<2> Can't remember if it was you or Linus talking about some State mandated 5 days of bubble-tests.
<1> Aparently in Canada, the paperwork for any government job is just phenomenonal
<1> Teachers have to fill out a lot of paperwork
<4> Glock: indeed
<1> So do Medical workers
<4> Herz: same here in the US
<1> infact there are thousands of people paid to just push paper around
<2> The US has the 'paperwork reduction act'
<2> That's done a whole lot... *cough*
<4> not only that, I can't teach, say, English, unless 1. it's on an emergency basis or 2. I go back and get like 26 undergrad English credits
<6> 20% of the cost of the US's healthcare system (+3.5 trill a year industry)...is paperwork
<4> rond: right.. those fun and wonderful 1500 forms.. :)
<2> Timur... 26 credits? Is this for college teaching?
<1> 26 hours
<6> Well I don't really blame the gov for that I blame the docs and the facilities
<1> not credits
<1> right?
<2> Most US unis call 'em credit-hours.
<4> Glock: no, secondary
<4> Herz:credit-hours, right
<1> okay
<2> Timur... seems excessive considering secondary school standards.
<4> basically, I'd have to get another BA in it
<4> Glock: that's the standard for 'highly qualified' teachers; and schools are mandated to have the max # possible of such per NCLB
<1> you just need to go for PhD
<1> and teach ED at the post-secondary level
<4> Herz: that's the plan, stan
<1> and be called Dr., so much prestige
<4> plan is to teach a couple years, get the PhD, see where that takes me, and if the income I derive thereby will allow me to keep Princess Magda.
<6> Sounds like if your problem lies in not having chosen teaching then the specific discipline of teaching in the first place
<6> not the gov regulations
<0> Timur, schools are mandated to have the max # possible of such per NCLB?
<4> rond: the rules surrounding the discipline
<6> right but your 38 not using the school you already went through ?????
<0> are you saying a school has to hire an MA over other cnadidates?
<4> Linus: right, max # of Highly Qualified Teachers, which most states take to mean 'you have at least a BA/BS in the subject(s) you seek to teach'
<4> no, what I said. :)
<0> not in elementary
<6> blame it on something outside yourself I guess is always the best path
<0> although a minor is booger reduction is helpful
<4> rond: I'm not blaming anything on anyone, just describing a situaiton
<2> Bitching about overbearing central government is the American way dammit!
<2> :D
<4> though the NCLB does pretty much ****
<2> brb
<4> if you want me to go there, fine, but been there, done that. :)
<3> LAKE FOREST, California (AP) -- Police say a man picking up his son for a supervised court visit was shot twice at point-blank range by the boy's 81-year-old great-grandmother.
<0> its an abject failure
<4> course
<3> A spokesman for the Orange County, California, sheriff's department says the man appeared to be having a casual conversation yesterday with his ex-wife and her grandmother, when witnesses say the grandmother allegedly pulled out a gun and began firing.
<3> heh
<6> Its the NCLB and there regs that made you choose an education path such that you do not have the credentials now that allow you to teach what ever you want
<6> ???
<6> makes sense to me
<0> based on a so-called successful model program in Houston, which has subsequently been shown to have been based on the falsification of test scores
<0> rond, he never said anyhting remotely close to that
<6> have you ever heard of the arm's 6 P's to success ?
<6> armies
<0> you're an ***
<1> The politics of dancing
<0> 426, thanks for uplifting news item!
<1> The politics of ohhhhh feeeling good
<6> yep
<6> here they are anyway
<6> "Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance"
<1> Thats 6 good Ps
<4> rond: no, that's not why NCLB ****s
<4> it ****s in itself
<0> the NCLB "standard" for the hring of teachers is so open to interpretation it's a non-factor imo
<0> say it, don't spray it!
<0> thufferin' thuccotash
<6> well you sort of implied that the regs that cause you not to be able to teach english or maybe I just mistook context
<4> that's right, among other ambiguiites
<4> rond: that is implied, and a fact. Nonetheless, I know I'd be a pretty damned good English teacher. :)
<0> single subject credentials have always required an emphasis in the subject matter as far as I know
<0> even before NCLB
<4> but that's not the extent of why NCLB ****s
<3> Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said from Gaza that Israel must change its flag. "Israel must remove the two blue stripes from its national flag", said Zahar. The stripes on the flag are symbols of occupation. They signify Israel's borders stretching from the River Euphrates to the River Nile."
<3> Israels national flag, a blue Star of David set between two blue stripes, was designed to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl which traditionally has stripes.
<3> HAHAHA
<0> i d NOT wanna talk about pals/jews :(
<6> [07:58] <4> rond: that is implied, and a fact. <--- nope planning is the problem
<4> Linus: there was more state flexibility before NCLB
<6> or was
<4> rond: no, not really
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