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Comments:
<0> all those natural remedies have real, maybe expenive but backed by scientific evidence, equivilants
<1> Before Price published his book you had ****tards like US_Male trying to sound intelligent by scoffing claims that rickets and blindness could be prevented with vitamn A
<2> lol
<0> vitamins dont cure disease!!!!
<0> they prevent only
<2> this dumb*** is really funny to watch
<2> xtor: did you eat a lot of lead paint chips as a child ?
<1> d65...but vitamin A does prevent blindness, night blindness and rickets in malnourished children. Isnt that an established medical fact?
<2> now he's trying to change the subject to vitmain A
<2> xtor: tell me, what science cl***es have you taken, and what grades did you get ?
<1> Im not changing the subject at all. Its directly relevent to the book written by Dr Price.
<0> ya and eating oatmeal for heart disease
<1> US_Male tell me...did you ever make it past grade school?
<3> xtor: Cancer isn't like rickets, shingles, etc.
<2> xtor: that means you did badly, or never took any
<0> rickets and shingles are virus'
<2> xtor: now, are you going to continue your senseless bull****ting on the channel ?
<0> completley different, vitamins dont even prevent virus
<0> maybe helping the body to make antibodies
<1> d65...true they are viruses but look at this fact...taking vitamin A as a supplement when your normal diet is crappy...does prevent rickets and night blindness does it not?
<0> dude we dont live in africa
<0> i dont worry about being malnourished i worry about being over nourushed
<3> xtor: If you actually starve cells of needed nutrients, they tend to have problems. What they don't start doing, is mutating and growing uncontrollably.
<1> FeeSimple let me find that literature...brb
<2> there are too many ***holes who read websites about medicine and call it "research"
<0> i mean getting fat if i was unclear
<0> ya the internet isnt very reliable for medicine
<2> and some of them read bull**** websites and don't know the difference
<4> Is this Clark's book?
<3> Male: Know how we can be sure its bull****?
<3> You and I agree its bull****. :P
<2> Astrodog: yes, using experimentation and controlled studies
<1> FeeSimple I found references to one of the books. By Price.
<1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879838167/102-2453570-1054560?v=glance&n=283155
<3> Amazon.com is NOT a cite.
<5> SAN RAMON, Calif. - Chevron Corp. on Friday reported the highest quarterly and annual profits in its 126-year history, refocusing attention on the high fuel prices that have enriched the oil company's shareholders and exasperated consumers paying more to fill their gasoline tanks and heat their homes
<3> Unless you're trying to prove that someone sells a particular book.
<6> xtor: i just did a search on the hunzukuts, and there is no evidence whatsoever of their cancer free living
<6> none whatsoever.
<1> Astrodog what do you want me to find on the net then. I read both the books. What do you want as proof that those books exist and that research was done by qualified licenced medical professionals?
<5> thats sad companies like chevron are ripping consumers off
<0> medicine is the most complicated science because everyone thinks they know alot about it, i mean you dont see many people saying they know organic chemisty, but ask them about how to cure a disease, and they bull**** like crazy
<6> ive found many articles on Weston Price but nothing that is close to being a journal article
<5> with oil prices going up companies like chevorn should be making more profit
<3> xtor: Find a peer reviewed journal paper, that confirms them.
<0> go to http://www.webmd.com/
<1> Astrodog that confirms what? That a deficiency of Vitamins A and D causes degeneration of the physique? Is there even any doubt of that in this day and age?
<2> it's not enough for a few fully qualified people to conslude something -- the research has to be reproducible and withstand further tests
<2> *conclude
<3> xtor: No.
<3> One that confirms the "Cancer is cured by vitamins" or "Eat seeds, and no cancer."
<1> Astrodog well thats the gist of his book...so wheres the skepticism aimed at?
<0> i deal with people thinking they know about medicine all the time with my job, im an EMT, not a paramedic im still young, but 90% of people dont know simple **** like CPR
<1> Astrodog that cancer book on "B17" is one I havent got my hands on yet. I simply stated I would look into it.
<3> xtor: You need something more than a book.
<3> You need something from a peer reviewed journal.
<0> i just read B17 isnt even a vitamin
<0> on wiki
<2> maybe the author drank a few B52's
<0> you guys need to relax, im gonna get my bong
<1> d65 I havent read that book however these articles state that B17 is a nutrient found in the seeds of apricots, apples and other types of fruit...and it has "protective" anti cancer properties.
<1> just like the vitamin C in lemons and limes have "protective" anti scurvy properties.
<4> vitamins are not 'nutrients'.
<3> xtor: "B17", as you're calling it, is actually known to contain cynide.
<0> it probably does, there are a lot of things we eat that all prevent cancer from occring in their own way, the question is if we should persue it like a cure or not, and the answer for B17(my opinion) is **** NO
<1> Astrodog yes I know it is related to cyanide. And it intrigues me greatly. I have also heard stories that if a person eats the core of an apple, including the seeds, they die? Is that right?
<6> here is a good study that details a metaanalysis of vitamins: Steinmetz KA, Potter JD (1991) Vegetables, fruit, and cancer. II.
<6> Mechanisms. Cancer Causes control 2:427
<3> xtor: No... that's not true.
<0> Mutations in DNA that lead to cancer!!!
<0> mitosis...
<0> not rocket science
<1> d65...heres the gist of that book. According to that book the **** NO is the official policy on B17 research and its been "covered up" as a cure for cancer as part of a conspiracy of silence.
<3> Yeah.
<3> That's insane.
<2> it's a conspiracy. Lol
<3> male: A conspiracy to kill people for no reason, and lose a bunch of money!
<0> it has a point i mean drgs are rediculously overpriced
<1> Astrodog if I eat the core of an apple and its seeds...am I ingesting cyanide?
<2> it's amazing, the wacko **** people believe
<6> or rather, read this journal: Cancer Causes and Control
<6> look it up through springerlink.
<4> Obviously healthy levels of real vitamins and anti-oxidents, and a healthy diet, are very good for your health and can help prevent cancer. But there is no single vitamin that will prevent cancer by allowing the body to kill all cancer cells. In other words, vitamins help protect agianst cancer like they help protect against the common cold (by making the body stronger and resistent in general), but not at all like scurvy.
<0> drugs are bad mkay
<2> a conspiracy of silence !
<2> wheeee
<0> keyword PREVENT
<1> d65...thats the point of that conspiracy theory...that since B17 cannot be patented that the medical establishment has "outlawed" B17 and is desparately searching for synthetic "cures" for cancer that can be patented.
<0> just like not smoking helos prevent lung cancer
<3> xtor: That's insane.
<2> there's also a conspiracy to use "quotes" unnecessarily
<4> xtor - Because the seeds will just p*** through your digestive tract, the cyanide doesn't actually enter your system from apple seeds. If you chewed up a bunch of them, then maybe you would get sick.
<3> Utterly bat**** insane.
<0> there are drugs out there that do alot of good but are not used because either lack of scientific evidence or sideeffects
<2> barking mad, I say
<0> a common drug that is not used but is really effective is mah huang or ephedrine
<1> Sahalee...I have also heard stories...that if you eat the core of an apple you die? I think there was some fairy story snow white or something...that involved the core of an apple? Is there a connection to cyanide there?
<4> Apple seeds contain cyanide. That is the connection.
<1> d65 ephedrine for cancer?
<2> nah my brother ate entire apple cores all the time
<2> he never died
<1> US_Male yer lying!
<3> MAle: Your brother the goat.
<2> xtor: fact
<0> you might choke
<3> xtor: I've eaten an apple core. I'm not dead. Next?
<2> xtor: he did eat the entire thing
<2> many times, I saw him
<1> US_Male you and your brother are part of a conspiracy to sell cyanide pills as a cancer cure.
<2> xtor: see, you're barking mad
<2> lol
<1> US_Male Im not the one selling cyanide pills, you are.
<2> xtor: I am ?
<4> "Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries and apricots, often contain either cyanides or cyanogenic glycosides in the pit. Apple seeds do as well. Bitter almonds, from which almond oil and flavouring is made, also contain a cyanogenic glycoside, amygdalin."
<1> US_Male please just shut up, ok?
<0> i suffer from polyplagia
<2> xtor: go **** your daddy's ****, ok ?
<0> but i have a botle of epicac
<3> Male: "Ye Olde Death Shoppe" wasn't very original, for a shop name, ya know.
<1> US_Male I dont want to follow your example.
<2> xtor: your senseless babbling is getting old
<7> ahahahahaha http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/bannerads/31b93f4a19fb6dc609174eef317afe67.gif
<1> US_Male heres an idea. Log off and **** off. Come back when Im gone? Like the other 374 days of the ****in year as you probably will?
<2> xtor: we've heard enough of your silly horse****
<2> xtor: eat some cyanide and stfu, for once
<1> 364 I mean
<2> xtor: HERE'S a cure for you -- how about a nice, hot cup of STFU
<4> Apple seeds contain amygdalin, a cyanide and sugar compound that degrades into hydrogen cyanide (HCN) when metabolized. Cyanide itself is a poison that kills by denying blood the ability to carry oxygen and thereby causes its victims to die of asphyxiation.
<2> xtor: got that, *****boy ?
<4> Luckily for those fond of their Granny Smiths, the body can detoxify cyanide in small doses, and the number of apple seeds it takes to pack a lethal punch is therefore huge even the most dedicated of apple eaters is extremely unlikely to ingest enough to cause any harm.
<7> oh, is xtor reading that Trudeau guy too?
<0> ah i just shttered my bong, i thought acryic bongs dont shatter!!! ****in wet everywhere
<7> "cures THEY don't want you to know about!"
<2> xtor has been busy with conspiracies and ********ing
<1> d65...so anyway I was intrigued that theres two books floating around that claim that eating seeds with "cyanide" in them will somehow greatly reduce the incidence of cancer. And this mystery anti cancer vitamin has been dubbed B17
<7> us-male: look at that url
<1> bob trudeau is the coral calcium guy isnt he?
<8> xtor probably thinks that weed cures cancer.
<2> bob: lol
<9> yo
<7> xtor: oh, he's been several things before the FDA shut his *** down
<6> xtor: I did a search through 7 medical journals on vitamins, none even mention this
<0> thatswho i was tlaking about i read his book
<2> good one
<3> Pickle: Isn't this trolling or something? Its certainly getting boring.
<3> :\
<6> it is all vitamin D, A, E, etc
<4> Cherry, peach, and apricot pits also contain amygdalin; the latter two, at least, in potentially harmful amounts. Fortunately, peach and apricot pits are sufficiently large and hard that few people intentionally swallow or chew them.
<0> he has no scientific backround
<0> **** him
<6> vitamin B has no research to back it up
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