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<0> Why is cancer also ***ociated with asbestos, radiation, formaldahide, tobacco smoke?
<1> Saha: Because those things can cause mutations.
<0> How does radon gas cause a vitamin deficiency?
<2> Atrodog those mutations are supposed to be fixable by the body though, except when the body is dificient in this partucular nutrient according to that theory of deficiency
<3> i want to figure out why tumors attach to healthy cells, maybe in medical research that stuff interests me, that is if i dont become a plastic surgeon
<1> That's what makes something potentially carcenogenic, it has the ability to cause mutations.
<4> whewww
<0> Astro - Sorry, I meant if cancer is a vitamin deficiency, then...
<1> xtor: No, they aren't fixable.
<2> Sahalee who said radon gas causes a defieciency?
<1> You can't "fix" DNA.
<4> man, the **** people are willing to swallow
<1> If it breaks, you kill the offending cell, and move on. :P
<3> cancer is probably 70 30 environment
<2> Astrodog...there is a way that DNA fixes itself. It runs cyclic redundancy checks on itself and if things dont look good it self destructs and lets neighboring cells take over. When that process doesnt work you get cancer.
<1> xtor: Some of the mutations required for cancer, are ones that prevent white blood cells from destroying the damaged cells.
<5> d65: no one knows for sure, but any nature/nurture argument by itself is fundamentally flawed because often things which are 90% environmental still require a 10% genetic propensity
<1> That isn't fixing itself. And it doesn't self distruct. The white blood cells kill it.
<2> Astrodog "you kill" meaning the body figures out which cells to retire. Which is what I was saying.
<6> NOOOOOW YOU'RE MESSSSSIN WITTTHHH.. A SOOOOOON OOOOOOOFF A BIIIITTCH. quick WHO SINGS THAT SONG!
<0> What is the vitamin that causes the body to not be able to kill cancer cells?
<3> not to be able to kill cancer cells? you're kidding me
<1> xtor: Yeah. There's a specific mutation that they've discovered, that causes white blood cells to not kill the damaged cells.
<0> (Sorry - what vitamin is it where a deficiency of it causes the body to not be able to kill cancer cells?)
<4> Sahalee: it's called vitamin F
<2> Astrodog...when you say cancer is caused by genetic mutation...its sorta like saying scurvy is caused by chapped lips and cold whipping wind. It is..and it isnt. Do you catch my drift?
<1> Male: Vitamin ****tarded.
<4> haha
<4> I was gonna say Fantasy
<1> ....
<0> xenu-tor - What vitamin?
<3> genetic mutation happens all the time in the body
<1> xtor: ITs a SPECIFIC mutation, they know what mutation it is.
<2> Sahalee in the case of scurvey its C
<1> Its not special. Almost all cancers exhibit the same mutation. Without it, cancer doesn't happen.
<0> xtor - In the case of cancer?
<3> all our somatic cells reproduce by mitosis, and of course mutation is gonna happen
<7> xtor sounds like some of those people they were interviewing on W-Five the other day.
<2> Shalalee its supposedly dubbed something like B17 I think.
<3> xtor what do you do?
<2> d65 Im in IT.
<7> People who actually bought into the "alternative therapy" bull**** and lost family members as a result.
<3> oh cause all viamins and coenzymes do is help enzymes do their jobs
<0> xtor - An otherwise unknown vitamin?
<2> d65...I dont think you get my point.
<3> inhibitors and activator sort of thing
<3> what point? that cancer is related to vitamin definency?
<2> Sahalee according to this one book that describes B17...its a vitamin that has been "hushed up" by the medical establishment as part of a conspiracy of some sort. But supposedly there is a lot of scientific evidence to back the claim that it prevents cancers from occuring if you recieve healthy doses of that vitamin.
<3> i doubt its that simple
<4> vitmain B52 was hidden by the NSA
<2> d65...not that cancer is related but it COULD be related to vitamin deficiency.
<5> xtor: id love to see this evidence
<3> very nlikly to be directly related
<3> theres no way thats how we'll cure cance
<2> d65...I dunno how simple or complex it is but I do know that books have been written about it
<5> the pathobiology of cancer is absolutely nuts
<3> cancer will most likeliy be cured by an immunization
<5> vitamins might play 1 part in a 1000 depending
<2> FreeSimple I can give you some evidence right off the top of my head...scientific evidence
<1> d65: Really they just need something that can flag the cells the mutation that causes the white blood cells to ignore the cancer cells.
<3> we already take one immunization for cancer
<5> xtor: sure
<7> Vitamins do not discriminate between normal cells and cancer cells--they strengthen both.
<3> nope
<3> they dont
<3> why would they
<5> pickle: that in general was the most level-headed comment ive heard in a while
<7> This, your "normal" cells become stronger, and so do the cancerous ones.
<3> we are afteral made up of the same thing, humans are just like some huge as eukaryote
<5> although that is not always true...it is a general rule that runs the show
<1> Pickle: Though, cancer cells don't require the same balance of nutrients, they tend to consume quite a bit more of "raw" stuff, like protiens, as they divide uncontrollably.
<2> FeeSimple...there are many small groups of societies around the world that just do NOT get cancer nor any degenerative disease until they hit their 80s...one such group is the hunzukuts in rural pakistan. THey never get cancer or heart disease. Ever. And its been linked to a certain food they eat in abundance. Same with other people around the world. These studies were done in the 30s by a phsyciian
<5> apoptosis is the huge problem with cancers and sorry, you just cant throw in a vitamin that keeps that function in check.
<1> Hunzukuts.... That's.... so incredibly obviously made up....
<1> Heh.
<0> "Vitamin B17" is the chemical Amygdalin, sometimes called "Laetrile". Interesting article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin
<8> anyone here know anything about audio formats?
<0> Apparently taking it can cause cyanide poisoning.
<1> occ: Sure.
<1> Saha: Oh. So its like Chemo?
<8> adobe audition wants to know what i want to save a waveform as, and ive got about 35 choices
<5> xtor: can you provide me evidence of such illustrious claims?
<8> and i just want a raw, lossless file
<8> it could be compressed if its lossless
<8> so not mp3
<5> sorry, such extraordinary claims require some semblence of proof.
<2> FeeSimple I myself have read two books on these studies(not specifically about cancer though). One book was written by a dentist Dr Weston Price and the other was written by a physician Dr McCarrison. Both books linked cancer to the diet.
<3> you know scientists arent that smart, we dont create bacteria killers, we just look at the microscopic world, se what harms, what helps, take ehat helps and use it to kill what harms
<1> occ: There aren't any lossless audio compression formats. Do you need the entire frequency range?
<3> we cant sythesis anything yet
<2> FeeSimple...I can describe to you in detail the experiments Dr McCarrison carried out with thousands of albino rats to prove his hypothesis.
<1> xtor: Think "Peer reviewed paper"
<1> Not "Crazy ****tard's book".
<8> ok, rather (i remember, my audiophile friend ;) ive got a 44khz 11 blah 16 bit cd sample, and im curious what the standard format people save audio in is
<8> if i should just use the generic pcm windows ".wav" or what
<4> we really need people to p*** a test to get into the channel
<5> xtor: can you name me a study of such research?
<8> i like to be on the cutting edge of these things
<4> a short quiz
<5> ive never been fond of (in science) popular press books
<0> "Jason Vale was the nation's leading spokesperson for the legalization of Laetrile. He was a national arm wrestling champion after he was cured of kidney, pancreatic and spleen cancer, purportedly by eating apricot seeds. However, in 2004 he was convicted of fraud."
<8> US_Male rides a short *bus* ;)
<2> Astrodog Dr McCarrison made a presentation to the United Nations after he completed his studies...in 1937 I think it was.
<4> occ rides a big thick bus ;P
<0> xtor - Do you mean the League of Nations?
<1> occ: they're all about the same, just make sure you have a matching WAV format, to the sample.
<5> i will look up those names to see what they have published...one sec
<3> ihow long have we known about avian flu?
<8> astrodog: yah, thats what i figured
<1> occ: If you want
<2> FeeSimple that study is a matter of public record. It should be in any good medical library. It was done on thousands of rats in Northern India very close to where the hunzukuts lived(cancer free) and he published many scientific papers.
<1> Remember, the CD is just a file, too.
<8> its weird that adobe markets audition (repackaged erm, that thing by syntrillium, they bought them out apparently), but doesnt have an adobe audio format
<8> like .psd
<8> "audition" being their audio editor
<2> Sahalee Im not sure. I seem to remember UN. It was a while back I read that book.
<1> xtor: Heh. Then the book was bull****.
<1> No UN in the 30s. ;)
<2> FeeSimple the Weston Price book was published in the 1950s...the McCarrison papers were published in the 1930s I believe.
<3> we didnt have nucs in the 30s
<2> Astrodog this guy was the cheif army medical officer for all of the british indian colonies. I dont think he was regarded as a quack. He was also knighted I believe.
<5> xtor: sorry, that is simply not current enough to be credible in modern science
<4> haha
<1> xtor: The book is bull****. Sorry. :\
<3> ya looks like it
<5> xtor: if this research was so good, it would be followed up on now everywhere
<1> I wish it wasn't. I really do.
<1> But... it is.
<5> i cant find a single reference to this guy
<5> in an electronic reference
<5> (i parsed 65 cancer journals in the last 5 minutes)
<5> not one...sorry...the guy is not legit
<4> cause it's been covered up, man !
<2> FeeSimple but the research was followed up. It prodded the govts of the US, UK, Canada etc to change their national diets. They took it very seriously.
<5> no its not. sorry...the name is absent.
<2> FeeSimple which of the two guys are you referring to?
<1> Fee: You might run that british medical journal...
<5> these are the journals i parsed: http://www.library.ualberta.ca/ejournals/search/index.cfm
<3> anyone here know how to isolate Methamphetamine?
<2> Hold on let me try and hit google
<5> keyword: cancer.
<4> I'm not telling you ;P
<1> d65: Yes. Next? :P
<2> The Weston Price guy should be easier to find...it was in the 1950s
<3> its good stuff
<5> McCarrison and Price...ill do a full name search
<4> see if adding "aliens" in teh search field helps any
<2> FeeSimple...one small note. The book that weston price wrote popularized the usage of cod liver oil as a treatment for rickets. Before his book rickets was regarded as a sickness of some sort. And after his book it was regarded as a nutritional deficiency running its course.
<5> xtor...ya...nothing is coming up.
<4> how about "quack" ?
<3> all those natural remedies have real, maybe expenive but backed by scientific evidence, equivilants
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